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Old 12-24-2012, 08:19 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR / Las Vegas, NV
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The NYC subway and a few others are energy efficient though it is not by a factor greater than two over the automobile. Many systems are in fact inferior to the auto.
Where did you come up with that? If you put 300 riders in a train instead of 300 cars on the road, you don't think the train is as efficient as cars?
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Speculating "the 47%" view transportation as an entitlement that should be subsidized by others.
Make that 100%! Who pays for our multi-million dollar freeway expansions, the ongoing freeway/road repairs!!!

And the side effects, from someone working in a Rehab center with car accident victims, the permanently disabled, who end up on Medicaid for years, decades?
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Old 12-25-2012, 04:04 AM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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BAN ALL forms of mechanical transportation.....walk or ride horses.......
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:54 AM
 
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Or elephants. The Humvee of the riding world.
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Old 12-25-2012, 06:56 AM
 
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Or elephants. The Humvee of the riding world.
I might need a bigger garage. I don't think my HOA will allow me to park an elephant on the street.

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Old 12-25-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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Where did you come up with that? If you put 300 riders in a train instead of 300 cars on the road, you don't think the train is as efficient as cars?
Comparing 300 cars to 300 riders on a train and then asking if one is more 'efficient' reminds me of the transit propaganda that claims that their train can move the equivalent of ten freeway lanes. Except that their train only runs at capacity for 'the last mile' and during one or two rush-hour runs. Also, their figures are based on their train running at full capacity and the car having just 1.2 riders. The reality is that a single freeway lane can beat the train by a country mile. Not only that, the car gets you from door to door: the train just gets you to a station.
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:14 AM
 
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Gas taxes, registration fees, etc. Cars generate a lot of income for the gov't.

In NYC, bridge and tunnel tolls subsidize mass transit.

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Make that 100%! Who pays for our multi-million dollar freeway expansions, the ongoing freeway/road repairs!!!

And the side effects, from someone working in a Rehab center with car accident victims, the permanently disabled, who end up on Medicaid for years, decades?
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Old 12-25-2012, 10:43 AM
 
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Fuel efficiency, easy usage by the blind and disabled, proven technology. (Wait until Johnny Cabs are hacked/malfunction and decide to start driving through shopping malls, Blues Bros. style.)

Finally, speed. France's TGV rail hits speeds of 200mph. We could bump that up further because of our wide-open spaces. Get on the light rail to the train station, board the regional train, and be in Seattle in less than five hours -- using one-tenth the energy of a commercial jet.

Trains are 21st century, not 19th.
Trains are 21st century, not 19th...?
19th century trains had you walking or riding a horse to a station, where you would cram aboard with all manner of people you would otherwise not remotely think of associating with. The train would stop at each and every station until your destination station, whereupon you would walk or ride another horse to your destination. The only thing that's changed is the nature of the horse and the speed of the train, and the fact that it or the horse might have air conditioning, plastic seats instead of wooden, and fancy hubcaps.
21st century travel has an automated personal conveyance pulling up to your door (you could own it, but why bother? Ownership went out in the 20th century) and driving you - and you and two or three-only - to your exact destination. It would use existing roadways for the few miles to an elevated guideway. It would accelerate to 200 mph and after getting you to the desired exit, would return to the existing road and convey you to your precise destination. An alarm would wake you when you got there.
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Old 12-25-2012, 03:12 PM
 
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And where is all the fuel for this "never have to walk again" convenience going to come from? Or is fusion power part of your sedentary utopian fantasy?
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Old 12-25-2012, 04:35 PM
 
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And where is all the fuel for this "never have to walk again" convenience going to come from? Or is fusion power part of your sedentary utopian fantasy?
Utopian yes, Scoop, but hardly a fantasy. There's nothing about robocar that's not already proven by Google (and,m btw, licensed here in NV), and elevated guideway transport has been around for more than a century. It's a matter of someone doing it. And that won't be long.
As for fuel, try electricity. Battery the first couple of miles to the guideway, thereafter inductive. Hopefully, some day the power will be fusion derived. Until then, solar, hydro (including tidal), or gas-fired (in that order).
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