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Old 01-04-2013, 02:07 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Currently there are 272 properties within a gated community listed on the market for sale in the local area--Salt Lake County (171), Davis County (3), Summit County (11), Wasatch County (9), Utah County (54), Tooele County (1) and Weber County (23). The median price for a home or condo in a gated community within the seven counties listed above is $349,900. The average price is $647,680.

The commune seems to live pretty high on the hog...
Given I'd be lucky to get $40k for my paid-off east central townhouse here, and looking and what I could buy up in SLC, or even St. George, with the proceeds, let's not go there!

Envious though, that if anyone decides to sell their home in SLC and moves here, imagine what they could buy here!

Enough to buy one home here, and another some place else!
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:44 PM
 
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I spent 3 days in Salt Lake recently and when you think about it the situation there compared to Vegas is quite similar. Both metros are where about 75% of the state resides. Both are populated with a lot of very fiscally conservative mindsets. Both have a dominant political force from one group, in SLC its the LDS church, in Vegas you have the casinos. Both have a very strong tourist draw which brings in people from around the world. Both have been significantly affected by migration from California in the last few decades. In short even though most would think of the cities as completely opposite of each other, they are very similar in circumstances.

Yet once there you see what's possible and how its completely different from Vegas. There is light rail and commuter rail all over the place with a new line connecting to the airport opening in a few months. Freeways with carpool/pay lanes which seem to handle rush hour traffic a whole lot better than Vegas. A vibrant diversified business sector including a booming technology industry. A university students and their parents actually want to attend, not one merely accepted because of convenience or financial considerations. The major league sports team Vegas talks about, but never does anything concrete to achieve. A nicely redone minor league baseball stadium people want to go to. A downtown that is growing and drawing in new residents and amenities. A housing and construction industry that didn't crater and is still adding to the region. The list goes on and on.

Salt Lake is not exactly a place where one would think the locals would gladly accept higher taxation, but they did see the need to raise some revenues to get all these improvements. Maybe its time to get people out to see whats possible and selling the vision of what has happened elsewhere will finally get things moving in the right direction.
what you describe would be the wrong direction. raising income tax to pay for trains, stadiums, carpool lanes and a college? how about, no. how about we work for our money and then we keep it. did you honestly just compare salt lake city's "downtown with amenities" to the las vegas strip?
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:09 AM
 
Location: The North
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what you describe would be the wrong direction. raising income tax to pay for trains, stadiums, carpool lanes and a college? how about, no. how about we work for our money and then we keep it. did you honestly just compare salt lake city's "downtown with amenities" to the las vegas strip?
And then in 10 years everyone wonders why those things exist everywhere else. I can't believe how many people missed the whole point of what I posted. If you don't want any of those things then fine, accept they won't come on the current model. If you want them they understand you have to pay for them. Diversified economy and modern transportation advances come with costs, they don't just happen because people ask nicely for them.

I think the consensus seems to be more people in LV don't want to pay for these things so it will stay much as it is now. All the talk of moving forward and changing the city in different ways is simply not going to happen. Those who are happy with it will continue to enjoy the city as it is, those who want something else have to move on as many people will continue to do.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:02 AM
 
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While I see both the comparisons and the differences to both cities, I have to agree that the public transportation system in LV is ridiculous. For such a tourist city, I would assume that public transportation (light rails) and such would be a great idea before the population growth. If LV connected downtown and the strip somehow, the tourist money would be distributed more evenly.
Here in Colorado and the front range, there were plans to build a light rail from Denver all the way up to Fort Collins. While it has hit a few bumps in the road and will take 20 years to complete, at least Colorado acknowledges the need. Las Vegas could learn a few things from quite a few different towns not just SLC.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:56 AM
 
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The factor that will push this issue one way or the other will be fuel prices. The entire decentralized, automobile based, suburbanized city is based on the availability of cheap motor fuel. If that ceases to be available, a lot of places will have to do a lot of rethinking. But in point of fact, it would be very difficult to layer mass transit (which works best in a hub and spoke type urban environment), into Vegas, other than to/from the strip.
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Old 01-08-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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A number of light rail systems are funded by local sales taxes (half percent in L.A., endorsed by 68% of the voters), no state funds/property taxes needed.

Las Vegans will rubber stamp any sales tax increase to fund more police officers, and there's another quarter percent increase facing the next Nevada legislature in February to fund even more police officers in Las Vegas, and will anyone be surprised if the proposal is turned down?

And meanwhile, Las Vegas increasingly goes backwards instead of forward!
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Sunrise
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A number of light rail systems are funded by local sales taxes (half percent in L.A., endorsed by 68% of the voters), no state funds/property taxes needed.

Las Vegans will rubber stamp any sales tax increase to fund more police officers, and there's another quarter percent increase facing the next Nevada legislature in February to fund even more police officers in Las Vegas, and will anyone be surprised if the proposal is turned down?

And meanwhile, Las Vegas increasingly goes backwards instead of forward!

You think those diabetics are going to beat the crap out of themselves? Are Costco shoppers going to shoot themselves in the back?
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