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Old 04-14-2013, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Good for Nevada for not buying into the pot head/moron "legalze" jargon and holding their stance!

Pardon the prejudice here, but I have a "pot head" in my family and it is very, very frustrating.

-He has no motivation, does the absolute bare minimum to get by
-Lazy
-Paranoid
-Thinks he is a "victim" and everyone is "out to get" him
-Neglectful of his child during his visitation time
-Is p*ssing away a very good job that he was lucky to have in the first place
-Sneaks home at lunch with another pot head from work to get high together
-Comes back to work high
-Makes more money than many people in our family but is always "broke" ? (gee...let's figure that out)

If he were fired any day now, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest...

Pot is NOT a harmless drug to me.

Consequently, I see nothing good in it and when it comes down to it, in my eyes, it is a DRUG/NARCOTIC and I wish the penalties for using it were much harsher!
Studio City, CA isn't that far from Tijuana. Some of the smartest drug addicts in Southern California only have to make a trip to Tijuana, find a Doctor there who will happily write a prescription for whatever drug you want, or buy across-the-counter non-prescription drugs, buy a nice quantity, and there's nothing to stop them from legally taking them across the border! Sheesh! Up until a few years ago, you could buy Soma's (synthetic heroin) in large quantities across the counter and waltz across the border with them. I'm sure those in San Diego could care less if marijuana ever becomes legalized in CA! They're having too much fun without it!

And these types will also pass the drug test at work!

And I'm sure there's smarter ones in Las Vegas that make that trek to the border as well to Los Algondones, Mexicali or Tijuana and laugh off any attempt to decriminalize marijuana here!
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:49 PM
 
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Originally Posted by kttam186290 View Post
Good for Nevada for not buying into the pot head/moron "legalze" jargon and holding their stance!

Pardon the prejudice here, but I have a "pot head" in my family and it is very, very frustrating.

-He has no motivation, does the absolute bare minimum to get by
-Lazy
-Paranoid
-Thinks he is a "victim" and everyone is "out to get" him
-Neglectful of his child during his visitation time
-Is p*ssing away a very good job that he was lucky to have in the first place
-Sneaks home at lunch with another pot head from work to get high together
-Comes back to work high
-Makes more money than many people in our family but is always "broke" ? (gee...let's figure that out)

If he were fired any day now, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest...

Pot is NOT a harmless drug to me.

Consequently, I see nothing good in it and when it comes down to it, in my eyes, it is a DRUG/NARCOTIC and I wish the penalties for using it were much harsher!
You can't legalize lazy and lack of motivation. The same exact thing could be said of alcohol. I know several people that ruined their lives because they drank in excess. Two friends literally drank themselves to death. Should you outlaw alcohol because some abuse it?

Plus, I don't know if alcohol has any medicinal uses, but marijuana does. What about the person with cancer on chemo that marijuana really, really helps. Should they be made to suffer because you know some stoners?

I haven't smoked weed in years, but your view seems very narrow minded. Face the facts an absurd percentage of the population uses marijuana recreationally and there's nothing you or I can do about it.
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:49 PM
 
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I was a medical marijuana user in California before I moved here. It is backwards to not open up the medical marijuana market. You simply cant generalize about the people who use it, other than its for medical purposes
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:11 PM
 
Location: The North
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P.S. there are tons of dispensaries in Colorado - they're well-regulated by the state.

What hasn't been determined yet is how the recreational users that just voted decriminalization into law will get theirs. I believe they have 1 year from the passage of the law to establish a framework
People from outside Colorado care more about this law than people inside the state. Its already easy to get whether through prescription or the old reliable dealer. According to the math which was put out there recently, it may cost more to buy pot with the excise taxes levied than it is to buy it on the illegal market right now. Sure it would be better to pay the state for services than help drug cartels make money, but just because it is legal doesn't mean its suddenly going to be a lot more common to have smokers.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:59 AM
 
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I agree, but once you legalize it taxing is going to be near impossible, as a lot of the people who want it it will be growing their own, and selling their excess privately.

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Yeah - what's important is these bills came up for serious consideration. That's a BIG step towards legalizing marijuana. It's an incremental process.

I say legalize it and tax the heck out of it.

Bill
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:30 AM
 
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you can forget about the lottery, you know casinos will NEVER let that happen.

even though taxes for a lottery would really benefit the struggling school system the state has.
FYI -

This almost never happens. As money comes in from the lottery, it is de-funded at the state level. The net amount is the same or less.
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:36 PM
 
Location: Home!
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you can forget about the lottery, you know casinos will NEVER let that happen.

even though taxes for a lottery would really benefit the struggling school system the state has.
Yeah...I sure see tons of lottery money being spent in Michigan but yet there are some struggling schools! Where did the money really go?

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Originally Posted by kttam186290 View Post
Good for Nevada for not buying into the pot head/moron "legalze" jargon and holding their stance!

Pardon the prejudice here, but I have a "pot head" in my family and it is very, very frustrating.

-He has no motivation, does the absolute bare minimum to get by
-Lazy
-Paranoid
-Thinks he is a "victim" and everyone is "out to get" him
-Neglectful of his child during his visitation time
-Is p*ssing away a very good job that he was lucky to have in the first place
-Sneaks home at lunch with another pot head from work to get high together
-Comes back to work high
-Makes more money than many people in our family but is always "broke" ? (gee...let's figure that out)

If he were fired any day now, I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest...

Pot is NOT a harmless drug to me.

Consequently, I see nothing good in it and when it comes down to it, in my eyes, it is a DRUG/NARCOTIC and I wish the penalties for using it were much harsher!
Sorry...you obviously are taking this much too personal. Obviously, it being illegal hasn't stopped him. Like others stated, the kid would probably be lazy without it. No drug is harmless...legal or not, it is up to the person to be responsible. I have seen far more damage from legal drugs than from weed.

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Are you sure it's not just a generational thing? You just described alot of 20 somethings I know that don't smoke weed. I call them the "Entitled" generation.
Bingo!

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Lazy stoners are simply lazy people who also happen to get high. There are also many, many people who also use the drug but bear absolutely no resemblance to "Jeff Spiccoli." Rick Steves is a good example. He's written 50 travel books, has a TV show, is a millionaire, and also occasionally gets high.

I am against prohibition because prohibition doesn't work. It didn't work for alcohol. It isn't working for drugs. It NEVER works. Why keep fighting a losing battle? Let the stoners get high and tax the hell out of it. At least that way we don't have overcrowded prisons, nor do we dedicate so much of our police resources to a task that is utterly impossible.
Another bingo!

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FYI -

This almost never happens. As money comes in from the lottery, it is de-funded at the state level. The net amount is the same or less.
Yep.

The problem is that the govt doesn't know how to regulate it...

I don't do any drugs but I agree with scoop about prohibition.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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Sorry...you obviously are taking this much too personal. Obviously, it being illegal hasn't stopped him. Like others stated, the kid would probably be lazy without it. No drug is harmless...legal or not, it is up to the person to be responsible. I have seen far more damage from legal drugs than from weed.
I take it personal because the subject happens to be my little brother...yeah, so keep rolling your damn eyes at me...You can't get more personal than someone this close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, you don't know my brother. He wasn't always this way. Not even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was the epitome of a Go-getter. Someone who wanted to do great things in life, someone who wanted to do better at work and get promoted, someone who wanted to manage his money right and retire early and travel the world. Someone who wanted to give his daughter more than we had as kids and always had a very positive outlook on life that I often silently envied.

Fast-forward five years.....

He went from all of that to someone who thinks he is a "victim of anti-pot discrimination", thinks all of his family are "uptight", neglects his daughter when he has visitation time with her, leaves work at lunch to get high, runs home after work to get high, thinks people at his work are "out to get" him, thinks his "true friends" are other pot heads, can't manage to hold onto money to save his life, lost his house, lives in a rental owned by a relative and barely pays the rent, always has money to buy weed but borrows food from me and our parents, always has a bong full of weed ready to go when I try to visit him. When you call him and he is coming down from his "high", he is hateful and rude like nobody's business and snaps at the drop of a hat. It's just a matter of time now until he loses his federal job, yes...FEDERAL job (that he's extremely lucky to have in the first place!) and is begging our parents to take him in or trying to scrounge a rent-free month off of our relatives who own the house he lives in.

I guess I am just sick and tired of the pro-pot crowd saying its a "harmless" drug. It's not. And no, neither is alcohol or any other substance you want to mention. I never said they were. But we're talking about pot here, not anything else.

But I wish, for once, people would quit lying and saying its "harmless" when it's not. I've seen it firsthand and I know it's not "harmless". It can destroy lives and the lives of the people around the person who is using it.


I'm not a fighter by nature, but I'd love to beat the living hell out of the person who introduced him to it and told him it would "make everything better" after his divorce.

Yes, this issue is very personal to me.

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Old 04-16-2013, 01:47 AM
 
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I take it personal because the subject happens to be my little brother...yeah, so keep rolling your damn eyes at me...You can't get more personal than someone this close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, you don't know my brother. He wasn't always this way. Not even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He was the epitome of a Go-getter. Someone who wanted to do great things in life, someone who wanted to do better at work and get promoted, someone who wanted to manage his money right and retire early and travel the world. Someone who wanted to give his daughter more than we had as kids and always had a very positive outlook on life that I often silently envied.

Fast-forward five years.....

He went from all of that to someone who thinks he is a "victim of anti-pot discrimination", thinks all of his family are "uptight", neglects his daughter when he has visitation time with her, leaves work at lunch to get high, runs home after work to get high, thinks people at his work are "out to get" him, thinks his "true friends" are other pot heads, can't manage to hold onto money to save his life, lost his house, lives in a rental owned by a relative and barely pays the rent, always has money to buy weed but borrows food from me and our parents, always has a bong full of weed ready to go when I try to visit him. When you call him and he is coming down from his "high", he is hateful and rude like nobody's business and snaps at the drop of a hat. It's just a matter of time now until he loses his federal job, yes...FEDERAL job (that he's extremely lucky to have in the first place!) and is begging our parents to take him in or trying to scrounge a rent-free month off of our relatives who own the house he lives in.

I guess I am just sick and tired of the pro-pot crowd saying its a "harmless" drug. It's not. And no, neither is alcohol or any other substance you want to mention. I never said they were. But we're talking about pot here, not anything else.

But I wish, for once, people would quit lying and saying its "harmless" when it's not. I've seen it firsthand and I know it's not "harmless". It can destroy lives and the lives of the people around the person who is using it.


I'm not a fighter by nature, but I'd love to beat the living hell out of the person who introduced him to it and told him it would "make everything better" after his divorce.

Yes, this issue is very personal to me.
Maybe you should beat some sense into your brother instead? Sounds like he has more going on than just smoking. The weed seems to be covering up a deeper problem - perhaps depression.
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Old 04-16-2013, 01:51 AM
 
Location: Sunrise
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Alcohol isn't "harmless" and yet people drink themselves to death every day. Nicotine isn't "harmless" and yet people smoke themselves to death every day.

Your brother obviously has issues. But drug use is merely a symptom. Making him a criminal because of his drug use helps nobody. Not him. Not his family. Nobody. It's like watching an alcoholic spiral out of control. It's sickening. But the difference is, there will be no jail time whatsoever for the alcoholic.

Prohibition didn't work for alcohol. And it's not working for drugs. And it will never, ever work. It's a waste of resources to keep drugs illicit. If we treated drug addiction as a medical problem instead of a criminal problem, your brother would likely be better off.
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