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Old 04-21-2013, 01:37 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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I think the perfect gun for home defense is a your normal 12 guage shotgun. Its perfect for close to mid range conflicts and you really don't even have to worry about if your a good shot or not. On a shotgun its simply point and shoot and the "shots" will take care of business. They are very inexpensive to buy and ammo is also inexpensive. Nothing like the sound of cocking a shotgun!
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:44 PM
 
Location: really close to Mount Si
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This thread is obviously a politically charged topic (might as well talk about abortion, capital punishment, etc...as you'll get both sides as one would expect).

Everything is a situation, where there is very little black and white concerning massaged stats on both sides of this. If you choose to, get the training, know the limitations and positives of the weapon you choose (a handgun takes a heck of a lot more skill than a shotgun, but less footprint, etc), and continue to periodically practice because skills diminish without repetition.

And this thread shall continue for another five pages. But we all expect it to, don't we?

Edit: typing as AA702 posted.
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Old 04-21-2013, 01:53 PM
 
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This thread is obviously a politically charged topic (might as well talk about abortion, capital punishment, etc...as you'll get both sides as one would expect).

Everything is a situation, where there is very little black and white concerning massaged stats on both sides of this. If you choose to, get the training, know the limitations and positives of the weapon you choose (a handgun takes a heck of a lot more skill than a shotgun, but less footprint, etc), and continue to periodically practice because skills diminish without repetition.

And this thread shall continue for another five pages. But we all expect it to, don't we?

Edit: typing as AA702 posted.
The nice thing about CD is that you can have a semi-intelligent conversation about politically charged topics without people losing their damned minds.

I'm a second amendment supporter. That said, I do not own a gun, nor do I think it would be a good idea for me to have one. Unfortunately, many of the people who should not have a gun do not self-identify. There lies the rub.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:05 PM
 
Location: really close to Mount Si
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LOL. True enough.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:13 PM
 
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Prices are dropping, not rising. The post-shooting hysteria is dying down, as all the legislation that was expected to pass is dead.
That's good. Still a good time to buy before the next hysteria happens.


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Old 04-21-2013, 02:19 PM
 
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The nice thing about CD is that you can have a semi-intelligent conversation about politically charged topics without people losing their damned minds.
Until Observer 53 shows up to ruin the fun.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:30 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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Lots of right and lots of wrong in this threat at the same time.

MacGeek,

Getting a gun is a good idea, but it isn't a panacea for home security. In point of fact, if you have to use your gun in your home, you're home security has failed. Home security should be in layers. The last layer is you with your gun.

The first layer is that your home should look not tempting to anyone who would break in. Good lighting, good locks, difficult looking access to the backyard, an alarm (with signs and some visible sensors), maybe some cameras, maybe a large sounding dog. You get the idea.

The second layer is that the house, in addition to looking difficult to get into, should be as difficult to get into as possible (it's impossible to make a normal SF home impregnable), and impossible to do without the occupants knowing someone is trying to break in, well before they can actually get in. A lot of this dovetails with what I wrote above.

The third layer is that your bedroom should be somewhat hardened. Having a gun makes no difference if you get woken up by an invader tapping you on the back of your head with his gun. The bedroom door should be a solid core door with an exterior lockset on it, and maybe even a deadbolt. If there are windows, you need good locks on them. I'd consider getting security film on them also. I'd say to get those barred, but in a fire you may need to get out of them, so that's probably not a good idea. I'd prefer to have a second floor master bedroom, so any bedroom windows are not immediately accessible from the ground.

If you have a gun, you should get what I call a finger safe for it, in reach from your bed (look up Gunvault brand, and there are others) you want to be able to lock the gun up, but you need it available in seconds. This type of safe can do that.

Finally, if you're going to get a carry permit, get a carry gun, and a proper carry rig (holster and gunbelt), and carry. You'll need to learn how to dress around the gun, but that's not that difficult. Also, get serious, not minimal, formal training, and practice regularly (this can actually become a sport.) You're probably more likely to get robbed out of your house than in. That's when you're REALLY want to have the gun handy.

And don't bother buying from the gunshows (edit: I see other people have mentioned this.) Go to some of the rental ranges around town, and try a few different guns, to see what you like. You can then shop around locally to find the best prices. You can also shop on the web (try gunbroker.com.) You can usually find better prices that way. If you want to buy on like, you'll need a local FFL (federal firearms licensee) to process the transactions. Gunstores are always licensees, but they sometimes get uppity about processing on-line sales, since they want you to buy from them at their prices. Gunsmiths tend to be licensees also (it makes their business easier) so find one of them. Processing this type of transaction is found money to them. You can also hook up with other gun owners with experience, and see who they use.

Ytvette,

What you say is mostly true, but with one big error. Any gun used for self defense should have a round chambered and ready to go. All modern handguns (autoloaders and revolvers are designed to be carried that way.) In the heat of the moment, if you forget to rack the slide, you're can be in deep doo doo.
You pretty much covered it all, but I'd add one thing. Learn to shoot. You can't expect to pick up a gun for the first time and hit anything with it. Nor would you know what to do in a firefight without some kind of weapons training. Then you need to practice regularly. At least until you know you can hit what you shoot at. And, if you can find one of those shoot-don't shoot electronic ranges, that would even be better.

IMO, and speaking from experience, everyone should get military training. At least we should be teaching gun safety to kids at a fairly young age. That alone would eliminate most accidental gun injuries. But fire discipline is the most important. Know when and what to shoot at. The actors you see firing wildly on TV is called spray and pray. Bullets go where you aim them to go. All shots should be aimed shots. Breaking windows looks good on film but is just a waste of ammo, not to mention dangerous to passers by.

I noticed the OP said he knows not to point a gun at himself. The first thing you are taught about a weapon in the Marine Corps is never point it at ANYONE or ANYTHING you do not intend to shoot. Keep the barrel pointed up and away from everyone and never wave it around.

Check out forums on the internet which give opinions on the best gun for home security. You'll get a lot of opinions, but it kind of breaks down to pistol or shotgun? High powered or not high powered. For instance it was mentioned that the sound of chambering a shotgun shell in a dark house is enough to cause a burglar to run for his life. It would be for me, but if I was high on drugs, maybe not. I believe that an empty chamber or a gun locked away is no protection at all. But if you don't know how to use the weapon you're just too dangerous to own a weapon.

The other thing is a high powered round like say a .357 magnum can penetrate walls and kill your neighbor, or worse, your own child in the next room. So should you use a small enough round to stop a man and not put a bullet through the walls, or do you need a lot of stopping power? Personally, I'm confident that I can quickly put enough .22 caliber bullets into someone to stop them. But, it's things like that that you need to consider, and experience will help you decide.

So as was mentioned, go to the gun store and learn all you can before you become, or cause, another accidental gun shot victim. The people there are very helpful and will teach you right.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:33 PM
 
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People with guns in the house are three times more likely to be murdered than people who don't have guns in the house. Seriously, google it. That is because most homicides are committed by someone known to the victim.

I agree with NLVgal -- adopt a dog.
If a spouse wants to get you, he or she will get you. Whether it be gun, knife or hired hit man.


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Old 04-21-2013, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR / Las Vegas, NV
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I've shot many weapons (I used to live with a gun collector). there is less chance that a jealous girlfriend will shoot you.
Thats why he wants a safe.
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Old 04-21-2013, 02:40 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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I like the idea of the finger safe too. You might lose a couple of seconds (which hopefully my dogs will compensate for), but if there are kids around, or your home is burglarized while you are out, it's probably worth it. My neighbor is a police officer. Her house has been broken into twice and they stole her gun. No safe.
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