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Old 05-08-2013, 07:18 AM
 
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The poster in this thread went into a lot of detail several paragraphs long, way too much info.
When I give any info about myself it is short and sweet such as my age, employment status and if I have kids. I do not give out much more info than that. I realize some might resent a person being retired at such a young age, but that is not my problem and I mean no disrespect.
Now the man in his 20's looking for a "poker house" I resented and would feel threatened if such a house were next to me at this stage in my life. I also went on to say if I were a young kid it would be cool, but now I have kids it is my worst nightmare. Again no disrespect, just fear of a house like that next to me. It is all about stages of life and timing.
As far as desperate people seeking employment, I feel for them and could just keep my mouth shut about wage issues here and in the real world. I refuse to keep my mouth shut about the wages here in town and hope to see wages go up. I am retired, why do I care if wages go up ? Answer is, I do not like to see people suffer, I have seen enough of that on a much worse level.
I moved out of NY to get away from NY don't want to be in that forum or that State ever again.
Hope you learned a little about me.
TMI

Just messing with you.

I will most likely be in your shoes eventually. I will be 39 years old when/if I retire in about 7 years. I can do my 20 years and be done with the rat race. Maybe in will, maybe I won't. Don't know yet.

One question I have for you; I notice you always say "I'm retired and not looking for work" pretty often in the boards. Yet, you complain about the local wages. I'm guessing you were at one point looking for some type of security work/gig to pass the time and make some extra income. But you couldn't believe the hourly wages out here compared to back where you came from, so you said "!%*@$ that".

So what would be ideal security pay for you in this city? $25 an hour? $30 an hour? $300a day flat rate?


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Old 05-08-2013, 08:17 AM
 
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I am hardly whining, life is very easy right now and I thank God.

You only highlighted the negatives of starting up a business, but failed to highlight the positives and there are plenty . At the end of the day are you making 2x 5x 10x 100x the minimum wage ? The public will never know the real numbers.


No regrets here either as in the end it was worth the sweat. I too lived lean eating PPJ for lunch, tuna fish for diner and read newspapers out of the trash for the first 5 years of my career. I started my career not for money, but rather to help people, yes help people. As a young kid starting out it was never about the money.

I don't need any perspective, as I am not reliant on a scumbag boss paying " slave wages ".

As a parent I would not consider leaving the world a better place as " having a dog in the fight "

As long as unemployment is high you will have a workforce desperate to work for near "slave wages", but once unemployment goes down to around 6% you better get your checkbook out, as wages will go up.

Why am I not out by the pool having a cold one ? and Why are you not putting in one of your 80 hour weeks ?

I really need to get a hobby or I will end up on this forum too much (LOL)
Never mind... You're completely missing the point, and I'm not going to waste any more time with you. You just keep complaining about wages you claim you're not earning, for your children you say you're not "in the fight" for.

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Old 05-08-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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TMI

Just messing with you.

I will most likely be in your shoes eventually. I will be 39 years old when/if I retire in about 7 years. I can do my 20 years and be done with the rat race. Maybe in will, maybe I won't. Don't know yet.

One question I have for you; I notice you always say "I'm retired and not looking for work" pretty often in the boards. Yet, you complain about the local wages. I'm guessing you were at one point looking for some type of security work/gig to pass the time and make some extra income. But you couldn't believe the hourly wages out here compared to back where you came from, so you said "!%*@$ that".

So what would be ideal security pay for you in this city? $25 an hour? $30 an hour? $300a day flat rate?


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I hope you reach your goal and retire from the rat race at 39 ( awesome ). Put as much money away if you have a "457" and max out if you can. Having the option to retire will also make it easier to work should you choose.
I have not and will not look for work out here. If I wanted to work I would have stayed, back East. I had a great job with great pay, but there is so much more to life than money, so I decided to walk away from it all at 42. Life is very short and after a 20 year career I am blessed to come out of it alive and in one piece. I was introduced to an owner of a large security firm and turned down a well paying position as operations director for a few HOA contracts. The one contract, the owner told me he bills 22/hr to the HOA, but pays his guards 9/hr. I feel this is not right, and working for 9 an hour is just so wrong. The owner was honest and said he gets what he pays for ( high turnover ), but it was about the bottom line he said.
Before I give my opinion on what security guards should make an hour, I temper that with my experiences in life. As an 18 year old BOY ( no kids or wife ) in 1988 I was earning 7.50 an hour working security. I know it was back East, but come on it was 1988. It is very sad to see prices go up since 1988, but the salary has only jumped a few bucks an hour in 25 YEARS. So to answer your question IMHO anything less than 20/hr is plain "slave wages", as 20/ hr translates to 40k a year ( hardly getting rich ), but just getting by.
Employers out here have the workforce complacent, and that is really sad. I hope things change, for the children of the future as we do not own this world, but are only borrowing it from the future generation.
BTW enjoy your youth, 32 is an awesome age. Do not wish your youth away like I did in order to retire.
Hope I answered your questions.

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Old 05-08-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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Never mind... You're completely missing the point, and I'm not going to waste any more time with you. You just keep complaining about wages you claim you're not earning, for your children you say you're not "in the fight" for.
I am not in the fight as " I have earned my bones" and never need to work again ( no financial motive, unlike yourself ) . If you are a parent you would understand I want the best for the future generation and leave the world a better place. I said it before, I choose my profession 20 years ago to help people. Can you say the same? My motives of a better paid workforce is to have less people who are desperate. I have seen first hand what desperate people do to the rest of society ( too much pain I have seen ).

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Old 05-08-2013, 12:01 PM
 
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I hope you reach your goal and retire from the rat race at 39 ( awesome ). Put as much money away if you have a "457" and max out if you can. Having the option to retire will also make it easier to work should you choose.

I have not and will not look for work out here. If I wanted to work I would have stayed, back East. I had a great job with great pay, but there is so much more to life than money, so I decided to walk away from it all at 42. Life is very short and after a 20 year career I am blessed to come out of it alive and in one piece. I was introduced to an owner of a large security firm and turned down a well paying position as operations director for a few HOA contracts. The one contract, the owner told me he bills 22/hr to the HOA, but pays his guards 9/hr. I feel this is not right, and working for 9 an hour is just so wrong. The owner was honest and said he gets what he pays for ( high turnover ), but it was about the bottom line he said.

Before I give my opinion on what security guards should make an hour, I temper that with my experiences in life. As an 18 year old BOY ( no kids or wife ) in 1988 I was earning 7.50 an hour working security. I know it was back East, but come on it was 1988. It is very sad to see prices go up since 1988, but the salary has only jumped a few bucks an hour in 25 YEARS. So to answer you question IMHO anything less than 20/hr is plain "slave wages", as 20/ hr translates to 40k a year ( hardly getting rich ), but just getting by.

Employers out here have the workforce complacent, and that is really sad. I hope things change, for the children of the future as we do not own this world, but are only borrowing it from the future generation.
BTW enjoy your youth, 32 is an awesome age. Do not wish your youth away like I did in order to retire.
Hope I answered your questions.
You think $9 is wrong? How about $8.25.

Hiring 12 Security Officers
UNARMED SECURITY

I would agree that $15-20 an hour should be the going rate out here in this town for anyone with experience, clean background, guard cards, PILB cards, security clearance, TAM cards and maybe law enforcement/military experience. There has been a couple of times while "volunteering" that myself and fellow coworkers have been offered jobs on the spot for around $18-22 an hour for having every single credential listed above. Anything less and the pay would be $10 or less. So I assume around $20 is not asking too much for someone with all the required credentials.

True, security guard pay sucks in this town but if someone was serious about having a career in that field then there are options and training available to command more $$$. Or just other avenues to serve and protect without having to do it for the casinos/HOA. Example: Police officer, Military. FBI...etc

So the big money is in owning large security firms that bill companies twice as much as they pay the employees.
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Old 05-08-2013, 12:10 PM
 
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Reopened. Discuss the topic, and don't discuss one another.

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Old 05-08-2013, 03:44 PM
 
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You made me laugh this morning. No one gets on the top by hard work anymore. That is a myth.
Succes and American Dream in this country needs to be re-evaluated.
Hard work is not going to get you to the top, lying, cheating and stealing will.
Rich are simply better in those things and they are better in using others for their interest.
Lying, cheating and stealing will get you the top bunk in prison while recovering from all of the "hard work" the other inmates put in on your !@#$%.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:10 PM
 
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Lying, cheating and stealing will get you the top bunk in prison while recovering from all of the "hard work" the other inmates put in on your !@#$%.
I get what Trader was saying. I see it in the education arena. I see people cheating on standardized tests which is at the crux, now, of our job security and, if some politicians get their way, huge bonuses. The people in my industry who will reap those rewards are the ones who are willing to lie and cheat their way to great test scores. It has played out in scandal after scandal across the country. And those are the ones who are careless enough to get caught.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:17 PM
 
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I get what Trader was saying. I see it in the education arena. I see people cheating on standardized tests which is at the crux, now, of our job security and, if some politicians get their way, huge bonuses. The people in my industry who will reap those rewards are the ones who are willing to lie and cheat their way to great test scores. It has played out in scandal after scandal across the country. And those are the ones who are careless enough to get caught.
Unfortunately in my line of work there are more con artists and scammers than legit businesses. People have found a way to take advantage of people, like Bernie Madoff did, but on a smaller scale.

The people that lie, cheat, and steal eventually get caught and end up in jail. I personally know several people that thought they could get away with $100M plus ponzi schemes that are now on a federal vacation.
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Old 05-09-2013, 10:01 AM
 
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Unfortunately in my line of work there are more con artists and scammers than legit businesses. People have found a way to take advantage of people, like Bernie Madoff did, but on a smaller scale.

The people that lie, cheat, and steal eventually get caught and end up in jail. I personally know several people that thought they could get away with $100M plus ponzi schemes that are now on a federal vacation.
What percentage of people who lie, cheat, and/or steal do you think get caught? I think it is will under 50%. Think of all the people who cheat the system via politicians.
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