[Kitchen Witch]

I am getting confused with all the arenas proposed to be built. Here an arena, there an arena, everywhere a possible arena, lol

This one, just approved by Clark County Commissioners, on the old Wet N Wild site by a UNLV alumni


The approval is a first step for the proposed $1.3 billion project spearheaded by former UNLV basketball and NBA player Jackie Robinson. The plans presented today also include a 44-story hotel, a movie theater and an events plaza with food and retail.
The arena would be privately funded and not require any state or local tax incentives.



County OKs plans for arena complex at site of former Strip water park - Las Vegas Sun News

Blessings

[timothyaw]

I seriously doubt this one will see the light of day. We'll see of course. But I doubt it.

[lvoc]

Originally Posted by timothyaw

I seriously doubt this one will see the light of day. We'll see of course. But I doubt it.

Let a thousand flowers bloom...particularly on the vacant properties to the north end of the strip.

If they can fund it and build it great. It does not really conflict with the domed stadium and anything that fills in the strip helps build the infrastructure. Lets get 50 million a year...hell 60 million...

[Clarkcty]

Seriously?!?!?!?!? The vacant land that used to be the site of Wet N Wild is not big enough for a hotel, an arena, a movie theater....... but goodluck with the plans especially the FUNDING!!!!

Just imagine a Thomas and Mack on the site plus a hotel, plus a movie theater plus............


Off The Vegas Strip

[Willy702]

Originally Posted by Clarkcty

Seriously?!?!?!?!? The vacant land that used to be the site of Wet N Wild is not big enough for a hotel, an arena, a movie theater....... but goodluck with the plans especially the FUNDING!!!!

Just imagine a Thomas and Mack on the site plus a hotel, plus a movie theater plus............


Off The Vegas Strip

Look at the satellite view on Google Maps. Look at the size of the Fontainebleu project next to it on a smaller footprint, the east side of that parcel is Turnberry Condos. Look at how small the footprint of T&M is remembering the structure to the south side of it is Cox Pavilion which doesn't need to be replicated. When you look at it you can see you could put a T&M sized building in the south side structures of the Fontainebleu using their smaller lot. Besides a 44-story hotel could easily take up less footprint if needed, they didn't say it would have a casino, although its likely they would want one somewhere. Maybe no attached casino is part of the plan to be more acceptable to a sports franchise.

There is plenty of room for all they plan. Its the funding and the competition with MGM's existing and new arena they really have to be concerned about.

[Wolfpacker]

Originally Posted by SoHoVe

I would absolutely support a tax hike to better fund education at the k-12 levels...its not as if we pay much at all in taxes as it is and better public schools would benefit everyone in the community.

Spending more on something doesn't mean it's going to deliver better results of fix the problems.

Originally Posted by Throckmorton P. Ruddigore

This has been studied. It's a con. Taxpayer subsided stadiums are always boondoggles. Not enough additional revenue generated ever trickles back to the community. From a purely financial perspective, it's a bad investment; a redistribution of wealth from the general public to a relative few who happen to be in a position to benefit.

These studies tend to be about professional sports. I would like to see the studies on the economic impact of a better premier college athletic program and its economic output.

Originally Posted by tijlover

Given The Economist's prediction that 47% of the universities in this country will go into bankruptcy over the next 15-20 years, except the stronger universities, and UNLV is not one of them, someone is not looking into the future here!

UNLV is not going to go bankrupt. It's a publicly-funded university that is considered the "flagship" for the state. It's not going anywhere.

[Clarkcty]

Originally Posted by Willy702

Look at the satellite view on Google Maps. Look at the size of the Fontainebleu project next to it on a smaller footprint, the east side of that parcel is Turnberry Condos. Look at how small the footprint of T&M is remembering the structure to the south side of it is Cox Pavilion which doesn't need to be replicated. When you look at it you can see you could put a T&M sized building in the south side structures of the Fontainebleu using their smaller lot. Besides a 44-story hotel could easily take up less footprint if needed, they didn't say it would have a casino, although its likely they would want one somewhere. Maybe no attached casino is part of the plan to be more acceptable to a sports franchise.

There is plenty of room for all they plan. Its the funding and the competition with MGM's existing and new arena they really have to be concerned about.

Lot is not big enough. Keep in mind, Thomas and Mack only holds around 16,000. Developer wants to build a 22,000 seat arena. Where are you going to put the hotel, the arena, the parking garage for all these facilities and even if the parking garage is underground, the arena alone will take a large area of that vacant lot.

Now if it was on the vacant lot owned by MGM and the RV park across from SLS, I believe it is doable but on the small lot between SLS and Fontainebleau, it is simply too grand of a plan.

Now if they are going to build a 20 room motel maybe they can squeeze an arena on the lot.

[Clarkcty]

Originally Posted by timothyaw

I seriously doubt this one will see the light of day. We'll see of course. But I doubt it.

It is going to compete with the 16,000 seat Thomas and Mack, the 20,000+ seat arena by the MGM and the Downtown arena so goodluck on this one. Thomas and Mack has UNLV backing it, MGM is a well established company so this developer need to do a grand arena to get the event it needs to compete with both. As far as the Downtown arena, we already know the city wants it and looking for ways to fund it.

It cannot be smaller than Thomas and Mack, we already have the Orleans and the Mandalay Bay Events Center. It has to be the same or larger than the MGM arena behind NYNY. How about the MGM Grand and the Southpoint arena, how is this developer going to compete with all these established arenas in town?

[Willy702]

Originally Posted by Clarkcty

Lot is not big enough. Keep in mind, Thomas and Mack only holds around 16,000. Developer wants to build a 22,000 seat arena. Where are you going to put the hotel, the arena, the parking garage for all these facilities and even if the parking garage is underground, the arena alone will take a large area of that vacant lot.

Now if it was on the vacant lot owned by MGM and the RV park across from SLS, I believe it is doable but on the small lot between SLS and Fontainebleau, it is simply too grand of a plan.

Now if they are going to build a 20 room motel maybe they can squeeze an arena on the lot.

I always find it amusing when some poster comes here and says something can't be done. Ask them why and they say because it can't end of discussion. Don't you think an architect or two has been consulted here? Are you somehow smarter than a highly paid expert?

Besides get your facts straight first before you make yourself look foolish. The T&M holds 18,776 for basketball and nearly 20,000 for boxing. As for land to build a modern stadium, 8-10 acres is the norm. For a comparison Sprint Center in KC was built on 8.5 acres and seats about 19,000 for basketball. The footprints are smaller than older arenas because they build up, not out.

So lets say its 10 acres for the arena leaving 34 acres for the rest of the project. The site acquired by James Packer at what was the Frontier is 35 acres. Did he buy that site so he could build a motel on it???

[Clarkcty]

Originally Posted by Willy702

I always find it amusing when some poster comes here and says something can't be done. Ask them why and they say because it can't end of discussion. Don't you think an architect or two has been consulted here? Are you somehow smarter than a highly paid expert?

Besides get your facts straight first before you make yourself look foolish. The T&M holds 18,776 for basketball and nearly 20,000 for boxing. As for land to build a modern stadium, 8-10 acres is the norm. For a comparison Sprint Center in KC was built on 8.5 acres and seats about 19,000 for basketball. The footprints are smaller than older arenas because they build up, not out.

So lets say its 10 acres for the arena leaving 34 acres for the rest of the project. The site acquired by James Packer at what was the Frontier is 35 acres. Did he buy that site so he could build a motel on it???

You seem to take it too personal.

Let them build it without taxpayers money, are you happy now????