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Old 09-16-2014, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Salt Lake City/Las Vegas
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Most casinos are very well ventilated...
Good point.

Bill

 
Old 09-16-2014, 07:59 PM
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Location: Las Vegas
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Get smart, I love that show.

I don't mind no smoking on planes (although I never fly) or if a business owner wants to ban smoking in his business, but I think it should be the right of the owner to allow it or disallow it. If Jim the pub owner wants to run a bar filled with smoke, and his customers keep paying, why spoil it for them?
Mcdonalds banned smoking in their restaurants years ago, and it worked for them, but no one made them do it. I do miss playing with the flimsy tin ashtrays though.

If a casino gets enough push back from non smokers and decides to ban smoking, cool.
If on a whim a casino owner decides to ban smoking, that's cool.
If the government wants to blanket ban smoking, that's not cool.
 
Old 09-16-2014, 08:14 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Lights out for smokers in Vegas? - Travel Weekly

Interested to see if smoke-free casinos will become a trend here. If China (of all places!) can ban casino smoking, surely we can too.
The air in China is so disgustingly unhealthy to breathe, anywhere, what kind of air is being pumped into those casino's that ban smoking? Even more disgustingly unhealthy air!

And some of that disgustingly unhealthy air from China, as well-documented, has infiltrated this country as well! You simply can't escape it!

So you ban smoking in the casino's, and everyone goes outside to smoke, and most likely with limitations: 50-100 feet away from the entrances, and then you have the pedestrians complaining on the sidewalks!

More ventilation is the key!
 
Old 09-16-2014, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Call me cynical. But I think eCigs are the tobacco industry's last-gasp (ha!) attempt to get another generation hooked on nicotine.
The day will come when tobacco will take the same route as marijuana. People will finally wake up some day and realize that both Marijuana and Tobacco are medicinal herbs. Both medical marijuana dispensaries and medical tobacco dispensaries. Nicotine pill where art thou?

When Columbus introduced tobacco to Europe (he took a big boatload back with him, compliments of the Native American Indians), initially, tobacco in Europe was only to be used for medicinal purposes: mainly serving as a great tranquilizer and appetite suppressant.

But, like marijuana, tobacco gave way to the pleasure principle, and eventually every country on this planet became addicted to the tobacco tax revenue.

No proof has ever been found linking health risks to 2nd hand smoke and no proof will ever be found.

It's the smell that deters most people, and even as a smoker, I'm deterred by the smell, and so wishing they'll eventually come up with a non-smelling option, aside from e-cig's.

The danger in banning smoking in casino's is, once banned, the nanny's will have nothing more to do to satisfy their ego's, and they'll then move on to something else to satisfy their ego's, ban something else!
 
Old 09-16-2014, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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No proof has ever been found linking health risks to 2nd hand smoke and no proof will ever be found.
The CDC would beg to differ on that one

CDC - Fact Sheet - Health Effects of Secondhand Smoke - Smoking & Tobacco Use

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It's the smell that deters most people, and even as a smoker, I'm deterred by the smell, and so wishing they'll eventually come up with a non-smelling option, aside from e-cig's.
It's not the smell as much as the physical effect the smoke has on you. I personally don't mind the smell when I'm in a cigar shop and not completely repulsed when in a smoke shop, I even enjoy smoking a hookah on occasion and have no problem when I'm in a hookah lounge. However the physical effects of being around an active cigarette/cigar smoker can rage from mild to severe
 
Old 09-16-2014, 10:34 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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What research study can you believe, when one research study sets out to question the findings of another research study. Research is as subject to corruption as anything else!

You come up with this amazing product. You hire biased scientists to prove your product is safe and healthy. But you infringed on someone else's turf, their product loses sales, and they set their biased scientists to work to question the finding of your research team. And the "war" might never end, leaving everyone confused!

Our casino mogul's in Las Vegas, with their highly-paid cost accountants, are forever looking at the bottom line, how to improve it, what would be the effect of this or that on the bottom line. And if smoke in the casino's was undermining their bottom line, they would have gone smoke-free long ago!

And if legalization of marijuana would have improved their bottom line, we would have beaten out CO and WA for being the first state to legalize it.

Put your faith and trust in the casino mogul's who always have their eyes riveted to the bottom line and their shareholders!
 
Old 09-17-2014, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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What research study can you believe, when one research study sets out to question the findings of another research study. Research is as subject to corruption as anything else!
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Well as a Survey Methodologist I can assure you that the way you prevent your second sentence from happening is by doing what you describe in your first. The way that you figure out who to believe is to look into their methods in conducting their study. Any researcher of good quality will be pretty transparent with their methods and will usually be open to others trying to replicate their findings.


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You come up with this amazing product. You hire biased scientists to prove your product is safe and healthy. But you infringed on someone else's turf, their product loses sales, and they set their biased scientists to work to question the finding of your research team. And the "war" might never end, leaving everyone confused!:
This is such utter BS that as much as it pains me to respond to it, it pains me even more that others might think this makes sense. Again any quality researcher will try to be as unbiased as ethically possible. Most of the time provisions are in place that prevents a research from influencing the data they are collecting. And they are required to report their methods and usually any biasing factors can be found.

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Our casino mogul's in Las Vegas, with their highly-paid cost accountants, are forever looking at the bottom line, how to improve it, what would be the effect of this or that on the bottom line. And if smoke in the casino's was undermining their bottom line, they would have gone smoke-free long ago!

And if legalization of marijuana would have improved their bottom line, we would have beaten out CO and WA for being the first state to legalize it.

Put your faith and trust in the casino mogul's who always have their eyes riveted to the bottom line and their shareholders!
No one said that allowing smoking in casinos has an adverse effect on the current bottom line. However if a casino decided to take a risk on banning smoking and their bottom line went up, you will see others follow. And I am sure that casino owners would welcome the legalization of marijuana. I'm sure the fact that Nevada is more of a purple/red state where conservatives have enough influence to prevent the issue for coming up for a vote in addition to the gaming commission probably is against it because it's still illegal federally is why it hasn't happened yet. I'm sure that once it is legal at the federal level, Nevada will be one of the first to legalize it at that point
 
Old 09-17-2014, 02:29 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I thought the whole non smoking thing was all about casinos not wanting the gamblers to have breaks to smoke and thereby be pulled off machines to smoke outside. None of these posts address that. I like to go to bars to play pool, have a meal, and gamble. Can't the smokers who want to gamble be walled off like they used to be at the airport, instead of people who want to eat and drink be walled off? Just got back from another state where I ran Bingo and the whole room decided they wanted a break to smoke, and so we had a break. They all went outside for ten minutes and had a glorious time. No money, kitchen staff, or nerves lost. It is about money made from continuous gambling and smoking, nothing else.
 
Old 09-17-2014, 09:10 AM
 
Location: Silver Spring, MD
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I thought the whole non smoking thing was all about casinos not wanting the gamblers to have breaks to smoke and thereby be pulled off machines to smoke outside. None of these posts address that. I like to go to bars to play pool, have a meal, and gamble. Can't the smokers who want to gamble be walled off like they used to be at the airport, instead of people who want to eat and drink be walled off? Just got back from another state where I ran Bingo and the whole room decided they wanted a break to smoke, and so we had a break. They all went outside for ten minutes and had a glorious time. No money, kitchen staff, or nerves lost. It is about money made from continuous gambling and smoking, nothing else.
Of course casinos will do whatever they can to keep you at a table or machine and happy. That is why they are more than willing to bring your vices to you. Nature's calling while you're at a table, feel free to leave your chips where they are, they will hold your spot and watch your chips so you don't have to worry about losing your spot or actually taking a moment to see how up or down you are. They are even starting to send around masseuses to work out the kinks so you can sit around for longer.

The future of smoking in a casino will come down to the where the non smokers go, right now casinos make it so that non-smokers are the one that are accommodated by designating non-smoking tables and slot areas as well as making sure the casinos are well ventilated. As a non smoker when I'm around a smoker at a casino, I occasionally will move or I most likely I will tolerate it, but never have I decided to leave a casino because of smoking nor did I try to specifically support Revel by exclusively playing there when it was smoke free. As long as other non smoker act the same way it's never going to change.
 
Old 09-17-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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I like the trend toward non-smoking.

Bill
I do, too.

It's funny, but usually the only place I smell cigarette smoke these days is in Vegas, and it is one reason I do not gamble (other than the whole waste of money thing). I do not want to be breathing it in, and taking the smell with me when I leave. Casinos do NOT have good ventilation, and even if they did, they can't help you if there is someone right next to you just holding a burning cigarette.

Just the other day we were walking someplace and passed a smoker. The smoke made me cough a little, and I remarked that it was odd to smell smoke someplace other than LV, which is a good thing.

Beware of hookah. It's just as bad, possibly worse, than smoking "regular" cigarettes.
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