[olecapt]

Originally Posted by ParkTwain

Olecapt's casualness about hiring apparent illegals as day laborers is interesting. Small businesses and their clients are not going to police themselves as part of any reform of the current illegal immigrant problem. The enforcement has to come from the top AND must be adequately funded, which is not the case today (see the Federal records check process and "centralized" database), and there are many special interests to mitigate against the motivation to enforce even the present laws. Some folks call it widespread greed, but of course that's what made the West, and America, what it has always been and is today. Grass-roots pressure on elected officials is likely the only means to effect change on this issue.

An aside: read how Eisenhower handled illegal immigrant enforcement in the 1950s.

How Eisenhower solved illegal border crossings from Mexico | csmonitor.com
Jim R. Schwiesow -- The real motive behind illegal immigration is greed
How to Deport Illegal Immigrants (or Not) - Associated Content

Sorry where did I ever say they were illegals? YOu think they have tags? "I am an illegal hire me" The status of any day worker is generally unknown. I have also used the mission when I want better english. They don't guarantee the citizenship of their workers either...and they don't even guarantee that there are no warrants outstanding for their boys.

The Eisenhower operatiin was simply a publicity stunt. Hunt around and you will find that the historical community has great doubts that the purported mass exodus occurred. Nobody has any actual facts. The numbers are estimates from the people running the program.

[garth]

Originally Posted by olecapt

Sure you can hire an anglo cabinet guy...

Okay, now I'm mad. What's wrong with hiring a Swedish cabinet guy or a Norwegian cabinet guy or an Irish cabinet guy, or a Danish cabinet guy or whatever?

Oh!!!, are you using "anglo" to mean all Caucasian people? You know, there are some of us that don't hail from that germanic tribe, the Angels, so its really an inappropriate generalization to mix us all into that Germanic tribe.

Actually, I'm just joshin' you olecapt, but it does tweek me a little when that term is misused to refer to all Caucasians. It started coming to unto its own in the venacular of hispanic speech, but it's use was inaccurately applied to all. It's akin to someone from the USA calling all Hispanics, Mexican, as was common not that long ago, when some may not be Mexican. Some may be Bolivian, Guatamalan, Brazillan, or whatever.

So, don't group us all into the Angle tribe. All Caucasians are not Angles, and yet we're still Caucasian . . . which also includes true Hispaics, btw. If you insist on still calling me an Angle, I might just have to send my true Angle friends over to your house. If I do that, you know what they'll do, right? They'll drink all of your beer.

So, now that we got that issue cleared up . . .

[ParkTwain]

Originally Posted by olecapt

The Eisenhower operatiin was simply a publicity stunt. Hunt around and you will find that the historical community has great doubts that the purported mass exodus occurred. Nobody has any actual facts. The numbers are estimates from the people running the program.

Man, you are a real piece of work. I can't find anything that you are not already an expert about! Please save your breath, you are losing more ground with every post. (You also did not comment on the key points--political corruption, for instance--in the articles referenced. Pushing around 500,000 people for any reason and by any means is not exactly small potatoes. You also must believe that Eisenhower's actions didn't have effects for the 10 years or so mentioned in the articles.)

[ParkTwain]

Originally Posted by Chest Rockwell

Perhaps the illegal immigrant problem is less obtrusive to national interests than a labor shortage problem or a severe inflation problem, which is why it's been largely ignored for the better part of a century.

Let me ask you this: how would you determine that there is, in fact, a "labor shortage"? By what the Chamber of Commerce says? hahahahaha. Business owners will pay you absolutely as little as they can, no matter who you are or where you come from. There are also many businesses, perhaps including certain small-scale California agriculture that depends heavily on sub-market-rate labor, that are not in fact economic to conduct in some parts of this country because of the prevailing wage rate. This means that the proprietors must use other, including illegal, means to prop up the continued existence of their enterprises.

If there were no labor laws in this country, which were hard fought for decades ago, you have no idea how much worse would be the situation for all wage-earning workers in this country. Please, give the country completely over to the rich, and you will watch the clock be turned backwards all the way to the mid 1800s.

[ackackack]

As usual, great posts Chest Rockwell. However, I do not understand Buzz123's fixtion with race. The last several posts have not mentioned race. I don't care what race the person who is exploiting the system is, or what race the person who is being exploited is. I particularly don't care about Buzz123's race, ancestry, or history lesson either. It was too long to read anyway. Once again, you can say whatever you want about those in this forum, who cares. You don't know us, and we don't know you, just what you type. I, like you can claim Mexican ancestry (as well as Polish ancestry), but it doesn't matter in this discussion. If I follow Buzz123's logic, perhaps the Polish side of me hates the Hispanic part. Interesting. It's like white guilt, but different. Somehow I think I'll still be able to sleep at night.

Way to go, pulling out the terrorist card too. This discussion wasn't even about terrorism. If you hate arabs, that's between you and another, more relevant forum. Oh, and I don't care what your response is Buzz123, anytime I hear someone mention terrorism out of context, I know they are just racist against all Arabs. There Buzz, two can play your ignorrant games.

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by ParkTwain

Man, you are a real piece of work. I can't find anything that you are not already an expert about! Please save your breath, you are losing more ground with every post.

I have spent much time dealing with small minds...they all think alike and re-raise old arguments. This is not the first or second or third time I have been involved in discussion of illegal immigration.

[ackackack]

Nice job ParkTwain. I'm very fortunate that I wouldn't get out of bed for what olecapt and his like pay his illegal laborers. That said, I want to protect my wages and what I have worked all my life to earn, so my decision to not support illegal labor is selfish as well (and even racist, according to some). Even though (so far) it is not likely to be an issue in my industry. If business were given their way, we all would work for peanuts, like we used to. If a broker could get realtors like olecapt to work for peanuts, he'd pay them peanuts. Luckily for olecapt, there is NAR.

I have to agree with ParkTwain, olecapt appears to know everything about everything. He even knew what the weather on the moon was going to be like when I was planning on visiting it. Olecapt, I think you now have two strikes against you: a realtor and you hire illegal laborers. Just kidding, of course.

[ackackack]

To play out this "racist" notion regarding illegal laborers, I was wondering if it is considered racist to pay a minority laborer that you picked up in front of Start Nursury less than you would pay a licensed, non-minority contractor who you contracted to do the same work?

Why do you think you should be able to pay the minority picked up on the street less?

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by ackackack

To play out this "racist" notion regarding illegal laborers, I was wondering if it is considered racist to pay a minority laborer that you picked up in front of Start Nursury less than you would pay a licensed, non-minority contractor who you contracted to do the same work?

Why do you think you should be able to pay the minority picked up on the street less?

Uhh why on earth would one pick up a day laborer to do the work of a licensed contractor? You know of a licensed contractor that cleans out flower beds?

While we are there do you ask to see a passport or a SS card when you hire a contractor? How do you know his/her legal status?

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by ParkTwain

Man, you are a real piece of work. I can't find anything that you are not already an expert about! Please save your breath, you are losing more ground with every post.

LOL...

ParkTwain, are you just now learning about Olecapts personality? He's one of those type people that feels he's right about everything under the sun. I swear if you took the position that the sky is blue he'd take a position that it's yellow. He has lost so much ground because of his posts, more like written temper tantrums where he stomps his feet and jumps up and down every time someone says something negative about Vegas. LOL...

Originally Posted by ackackack

Olecapt, I think you now have two strikes against you: a realtor and you hire illegal laborers.

I'd agree and add that he's obnoxious and acts like a no-it-all even when he's proven wrong time and again. And talk about small minds - if anyone says anything against Vegas or that he disagrees with he gets fixated on it. Crazy!

Just joking, of course. :-) We all know you are real piece of work...