[ParkTwain]

Yes, I've participated on this board for only the last couple of weeks.

[Zinnia]

I can imagine that the culture of Las Vegas it would be a challenge and hard to raise kids there, however... YOU have control over how you raise them. Kids can go down the wrong path anywhere... it can be small town mid-America or a large city. You have to be on kids constantly and be involved in their lives, make sure they have limits, etc... I don't think its where you raise them as much as how you raise them.... the problem with people today is that we blame outside sources for our problems and not ourselves. Personally I wouldn't have wanted to try to raise my kids there... but you have to deal with where you live, do the best you can... and don't be selfish when it comes to their needs before yours... constantly talk to them... and pray for strength and guidance daily...

[ParkTwain]

Yes, you can live in a place with lots going on, and say "no" to your kids more often, or you can live in a place with less going on, and perhaps say "no" less often. But it's like with childproofing your kitchen's bottom cabinets: you can spend your time always saying "no" or you can attach the cabinet door catches as prevention (no more saying "no", so life becomes a little happier on that item).

Parents don't like to say no, but it's quite a necessity, especially in Vegas. However, regardless of where you live, you can only say "no" to your kids so often before they stop listening to you. You also have to provide a positive set of activities, beliefs, attitudes, and skills for them to deal with everyday life and to develop self-confidence. These days, a key skill to impart is how to avoid BOREDOM.

[Sijuki]

Originally Posted by ParkTwain

Yes, you can live in a place with lots going on, and say "no" to your kids more often, or you can live in a place with less going on, and perhaps say "no" less often. But it's like with childproofing your kitchen's bottom cabinets: you can spend your time always saying "no" or you can attach the cabinet door catches as prevention (no more saying "no", so life becomes a little happier on that item).

Parents don't like to say no, but it's quite a necessity, especially in Vegas. However, regardless of where you live, you can only say "no" to your kids so often before they stop listening to you. You also have to provide a positive set of activities, beliefs, attitudes, and skills for them to deal with everyday life and to develop self-confidence. These days, a key skill to impart is how to avoid BOREDOM.

This must be like those people who raise their kids in those upper crust 'burbs that don't have to say no to their children and grow up dressing like little thugs and acting tough til they cross the wrong person and end up dead. Or they get hooked into drugs, prostitution, etc. Overly common... no. But it does happen. Remember the big Heroin deal in those Texas suburbs a few years ago. What was it 38 teenagers that ended up dying in a cookie cutter upperclass suburb? While you may have better piece of mind in Suburbia than you would in a city like Las Vegas or Detroit, etc. There is never a time for less parenting. You must instill the same values and put the same work forward to help your children develop into decent people.

[Sijuki]

As for the whole illegal deal.... does anyone know how many illegal people there are in the country, and how do you easily detect them? Oh yeah, you can't. Just like when many of your grandparents, etc came over here on the boat from whereever they rowed in from and barely spoke a lick of English, faced discrimination, people complained about how they worked for cheap, took jobs away, ruined the economy, etc etc. Were they illegal? Some were, some weren't. The Irish, Germans, Italians, Greeks, Chinese, etc and many more went through these troubles.

From what I read on the boards, some of these posts do seem to be directed totally towards hispanics. I do think it's sad for people that would label hispanics as illegals. Much like it irritates the crap out of me when people label arabs or middle eastern people as terrorists. Guess what? People are not all made from the same cookie cutter. Some illegal aliens probably come here and are skilled in a trade, probably do a great job, and probably make what they consider a decent wage. Why not? Is that not Capitalism and the American dream? To come to the land of the free, bring us your weary, your tired. Case by case, you can find people that overly abuse a system, truly take advantage of a situation, and denounce ethics. Those people are the problem.

But if I see some guy and he says he will cut my grass and pull weeds and do some other work and offer me a decent rate, why not take it. I hired a guy off the street to cut a tree down for me, he charged $300. Big Shot Local Tree Cutter Down Guy was going to charge $1000. Should I be relegated to go to the guy that is gonna come over with a crew to bring down a tree and pay a huge price when one guy that knows what he is doing can accomplish the same goal? We have quite a few Hispanics in the Detroit area and they often times get into construction jobs, but they earn a fair wage. Are they all legal, I will assure you that some of them have fudged paperwork. But they make virtually the same as any other worker would, difference is, they work their ass off for the oppurtunity to make that money and live their dream. The same thing our ancestors came here for. Should be so cavalier to not offer now-a-days the oppurtunities we were afforded? Legal/Illegal are words, there will always be illegal immigrants, you will never stop it. Best idea is to learn how to deal with it.

[ackackack]

I appreciate the history lesson. It seems lately, everyone has one, or their version of it. I wouldn't start a Capitalism debate here. The form of Capitalism is no where near true Capitalism. If you want true Capitalism, lets get rid of minimum wage and unions, then we can let the "market" decide what it wants to pay for every service. That should be fun for everyone. DId your history books teach you about how well workers were taken care of before we had the millions of laws that we do today? In any case, I don't really care where anyone came from, why they are here, or what they are going to do. However, we do have a system of laws in this country and some of those laws are designed to protect you and me, the wages we earn and the quality of life we can expect from our employers. If you want to choose which laws you want to participate in, great, we all do to some degree. I'm passionate about protecting the American worker. I can't do much about it, but I can choose to hire licensed, legal workers. Anyone who has worked hard to get a license or specialized training should understand that. You have the choice to hire the guy who will do $1000 worth of work for $100. It's quite obvious that no one is stopping anyone from doing so, but I'd like to see you sit here and say these things when you see your quality of life and your wages decrease as a direct result of illegal labor.

"Legal/Illegal are words" classic comment. If this doesn't boil down to ETHICS, then I don't know what does.

[Buzz123]

Sorry this is so long. I couldn't find a way to link it here.

My View of Islam
On holy war, apostasy and the rights of women in Islam.

The undisputed definition of Islam by all her adherents is “submission to the will of Allah.” This divine will is outlined in the Koran and in the teachings and deeds of Muhammad, as recorded in the Hadith or Sunna.

While the Koran is considered to be the true, undiluted word of God revealed to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel, the Sunna carry less weight and have always been a cause for disagreement amongst Muslim scholars. Theologians of Islam have, however, reached consensus on the authority of a set of six volumes from the Sunna called the Sahih Sita, or authentic six.

On the issues of holy war (jihad), apostasy and the treatment of women, the Koran and Sunna are clear. It is the obligation of every Muslim to spread Islam to unbelievers first through dawa, or proselytizing, then through jihad, if the unbelievers refuse to convert. It is the obligation of the unbelievers to accept Islam. Exempted from this edict of conversion are the people of the book: Christians and Jews. Both peoples have a choice. They may adopt Islam and enjoy the same rights as other Muslims, or they may stick to their book and lead the life of a dhimmi (lower citizen). Legally, the rights of the dhimmi are not equal to those of a Muslim. For instance, a Muslim man may take a Jewish or Christian wife, but Jews and Christians are not allowed to marry Muslim women. If a Christian or a Jew kills a Muslim man, they should be killed immediately. In contrast, the blood of a Muslim should never be shed in recompense for the blood of Christians or Jews.

It is also the obligation of every Muslim to command virtue and forbid vice. Apostasy, the worst possible vice a Muslim can commit, should be punished by death. The punishment need not be carried out by a state, but can easily be enforced by civilians. When it is a question of Islamic law, justice is in the hands of every Muslim.

As for the treatment of women, in the Koran and more elaborately in the Sunna, Islam assigns to girls a position in the family that requires them to be docile, makes them dependent on their male relatives for money and gives dominion over their bodies to these same male kin.
In Islam there is a strict hierarchy of subservience. First and foremost, all humans are required to be the slaves of Allah. In Muslim societies, all children must obey their parents. Beyond this, women and girls must obey and serve without question their male guardians and especially their husbands. This decree of marital obedience is not in any way reciprocal.

A woman in Islam is not competent and must always have a guardian. The responsibility of guardianship may pass from father to brother to uncle before a girl is married off, at which point she must answer to her husband. Marriage is typically arranged, with no choice given to the girl, and there is often an exchange of money in the process. Thus, under the religious rule of Islam, it is still common today that a woman’s rights are essentially sold to a man she may not know, and most likely does not love.

As for education of girls under Islam, there is a clear program of indoctrination of inequality. Under Islam, education is the passing on of the rules of submission to the will of Allah. Intrinsic in this “education” is the dictation of gender roles. Girls are instructed in subservience first to God, then to the family and finally to the husband. There is strict emphasis on modesty, defined by virginity. A Muslim girl is taught to guard fiercely her virginity as an expression of loyalty to her creator and to her family and husband.

This form of education hampers her chances of ever becoming self-reliant or financially independent. A woman’s lack of social equality and freedom is a direct consequence of the teachings of Islam. Under Islam, a wife must always ask her husband for permission and she must obey indefinitely. This stricture is lifted in the unique event that he asks her to forsake God, wherein she is allowed the right of disobedience. While it is true that in Islam, technically speaking, women have the right to trade and own property, the condition of total obedience to guardians makes this “freedom” hypothetical, at best.

The goal of education given to girls under Islam is the achievement of control over female sexuality. The result of this indoctrination is that Muslim girls believe legitimate and often vocally defend their position of subordination. The lengths a Muslim society will go to in the pursuit of sexual control often cross into the territory of the absurd and, by western standards, criminal. In Islam the minimum age of marriage for a girl is after her first menstruation. Muhammad was engaged to his wife Aisha when she was six years old, and he married her (had intercourse with her) when she turned nine. Millions of Muslim men across the world follow Muhammad in this deed, one of the most prominent examples being the late Ayatollah Khomeini.

Under sharia law (Islamic law), such as governs in Saudi Arabia, Iran and parts of Nigeria, the civil rights of women are dramatically reduced. Threat of violent punishment in the form of whipping and stoning makes the prospect of financial independence and sexual freedom for women all but impossible. Miraculously, even in such harsh circumstances you will find women who are relatively well educated, have some say in choosing a husband and manage to earn a living. Let us be clear that these exceptions are due to the compassion and progressiveness of families who have been influenced by the West, and not to rules derived from Islam.
In the quest for reconciliation between Muslim and western societies, it is important to recognize that Muslims are as diverse as Islam is monolithic. Islam attempts to unify more than a billion people of different geographical origins, languages, ethnicities, and cultural and educational backgrounds into one religious tribe. And while I acknowledge that generally stereotyping believers is difficult since belief is subjective, for the sake of discussion I would like to distinguish between five types of Muslims.

The first group includes those Muslims who leave the faith because they cannot reconcile it with their conscience or with modernity. This group is important for the evolution of the Islamic world because they ask the urgent and critical questions believers usually avoid. Ex-Muslims living in the west are just beginning to find their voice and to take advantage of the spiritual and social freedoms available to them.

The second group is comprised of genuine Muslim reformers, such as Irshad Manji, who acknowledge the theological out-datedness of the Koranic commands and the immorality of the prophet. They tend to emphasize the early chapters in the Koran urging goodness, generosity and spirituality. They argue that the latter chapters wherein Islam is politicized and the concepts of sharia, jihad and martyrdom are introduced should be read in the context in which they were written, some 1,400 years ago.

The third group is made up of those Muslims who support the gradual perpetuation and domination of Islam throughout the world. They use the freedoms offered in democracy to undermine social modernity and, though initially opposed to the use of violence, foresee that once the number of believers reaches a critical mass the last remnants of unbelievers may then be dealt with in violence, and sharia law may be universally implemented. Ayatollah Khomeini used this method successfully in Iran. Erdogan of Turkey is following in his footsteps. Tariq Ramadan, deeply rooted in his Muslim Brotherhood heritage, is devoted to such a program among European Muslims.

The fourth group is the most obvious and immediately threatening. In this group we find a growing number of hard-line Muslims who have defined martyrdom as their only goal. This is an army of young men whipped into a frenzy of suicidal violence by power hungry clergy. These clergy have public platforms and work with impunity from institutions untouched and often funded by national authorities.

The fifth group is largely ineffective and only threatening in their refusal to acknowledge the truth. Here we find the elite clergy who make a show of trying to reconcile Islam with modernity. They are motivated by self-preservation and have no interest in true reform. They take selective passages from the holy books to make a case for a peaceful Islam, ignoring the many passages inciting violence, such as those verses which command the death of apostates.

It is through the first two of these five groups that progress and reform will come. As for the rest, the western world would be wise to recognize the realities of Islam, a religion laid down in writing over a millennium ago with violence and oppression at its heart.

Born in Somalia and raised a devout Muslim, Ayaan Hirsi Ali is an active critic of Islam, an advocate for women’s rights and a leader in the campaign to reform Islam. Her willingness to speak out and her abandonment of the Muslim faith have made her a target for violence and threat of death by Islamic extremists. She is currently a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute, in Washington D.C., and is the author of the bestselling memoir "Infidel."

[Buzz123]

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[gulfer]

wow..what a post. I'm not even touching this.

But I will say, anyone that comes to this country to try and find a better life has my greatest respect. So flame away, I serve this country proudly currently (and have for the past 21 years plus), I've delivered pizza to make ends meet, etc... Our country has problems no doubt, but what if the Native Americans had a political system like we have now over 200 years ago...NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE

[Sijuki]

Originally Posted by gulfer

Our country has problems no doubt, but what if the Native Americans had a political system like we have now over 200 years ago...NONE OF US WOULD BE HERE

If the Natives were as military gung ho and full of aggression as America is today, none of us would be here either. They would have sunken those ships in the Atlantic.