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Old 08-18-2017, 02:50 PM
 
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I agree, Vegas has a lot of potential to become a world class city..

It needs to outgrow it's legacy of being a shady gambling town..

And stand independently from Southern California money..

We just need sound city planning and common sense policies.

Hopefully Tony Hsieh's efforts are making a difference.
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Old 08-19-2017, 04:03 AM
 
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I like Tony Hsieh and the Downtown Project a lot. I'm a big fan of it. I've also liked nearly every business they've funded though not all of them have succeeded.

However, I've read varying reports that Las Vegas needs like 3-4 more Tony Hsieh's type investors in the Urban Core cuz his 350M were equivalent to a kick starter for the revitalization project in the urban core. Meanwhile, he has the partnership of the Mayor and city council chipping away at improving infrastructure in this area. They've tried to match it and encourage interest. They put their city buildings down there. Several museums opened. They worked with the 18b Arts District and the Main Street facelift. Then they're allowing new things along N. Las Vegas Blvd to be built. There are designated streets for lawyer's businesses inside houses in another area. There's a microbrewery tour. They put in several transportation options including a bicycle ride share. They brought autonomous buses downtown and to the UNLV campuses. Two different versions and one was 3D printed.

That's also why the city wanted the Raiders Stadium at the old Cashman Field that was decommissioned. It had nearly all the acreage and infrastructure developers were looking for and what infrastructure it lacked was already slotted and funded in this area with the studies completed. They want the core revitalized and to grow North with North Las Vegas too.

Now that I think about it, I remember that North Las Vegas is also investing in their downtown area and there's some BLM land that opened up I believe out there with the old pig farm having sold. I think that was all North but it's been awhile.

There's also the NW Las Vegas Medical District designation and expansion which is separate from the main urban core. The State also allotted money for MountainView Hospital to start a residency program with their 90M private expansion. All the doctors in training are living in this area or the urban core and west of the highway. The lawyers are in the urban core as well.

We've had some threads on here talking about the tech sector. There is a tech district that's outside the urban core in the SW that they've spoken about. I've driven by it but I don't really ever hear what's all going on in there. I know there's a locals workshop where you can show up with your equipment and run things by them or get involved in their projects. There are some small businesses. It's not companies like Google, Yahoo, Facebook, etc. Though it would be great if they would all start campuses in Las Vegas! I know it's not Newport, San Francisco, Seattle, Redmond, Portland, ect.

One of Hsieh's goals was to draw in the tech. They funded some start ups. The successful startup left for where the tech industry was really happening eventually because all their meetings end up out there anyway. I read that left some bad blood and a difficult lesson, but it didn't have to be that way. A lot of them talked about San Francisco.

I know Las Vegas is considered a "Sister City" with San Francisco but not for those reasons. Then there are Raiders coming from Oakland. So we've got the Bay Area back and forth more and more. I've read a couple times on here even about people having worked both here and in CA in the Bay Area mainly. It also seems a lot of them work in tech on here too. So you might hear more about it from them.

I suspect in the next 20 years Boise and Las Vegas are going to grow well, but differently than those cities in States along the West Coast. There will be some similarities in modernization but they will hold their own identities because they're different people living there and they have unique backgrounds and histories.

I love that Las Vegas has no last call. That was really freeing not to have to live within the lines of someone else's restrictions. You could be on any schedule at any time day or night there and wake up and live your life the way you wanted to. There are endless adventures!
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Old 08-19-2017, 11:50 AM
 
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Really? Have you been in a casino in the last thirty years. I see lots and LOTS of machines. I'm pretty sure the majority of gaming revenue now comes from machines.

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Maybe, but as I said in previous post, the machines have been here already for years without making a dent,
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Old 08-19-2017, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Henderson, NV
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Really? Have you been in a casino in the last thirty years. I see lots and LOTS of machines. I'm pretty sure the majority of gaming revenue now comes from machines.
And then Sky Net became self-aware and took over the gaming industry, perceiving Macao as a threat, leading to cheaper rooms, bigger buffets until the board room humans tried to shut it all down, at which time, humans were perceived as a threat and gaming machines took all the money, eliminated comps, and darkened the neon.


Thankfully John Connor traveled back in time to place bets all over town on a long odds pony he saw win in the future, causing Sky Net to pay out its entire bitcoin holdings to cover, resulting in a late payment to Cox and termination of internet service. Humans win. Coming never to a theater near you....
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Old 08-19-2017, 05:31 PM
 
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It think in the long term, this is wrong. But it will be a progression. At some point if you want to play $25+/hand blackjack, you'll get a human dealer. Want $5 hand blackjack, it'll be a machine. The $25+ will get a human waitress. The $5/hand tables, a robot (and not self serve, because the casino won't want the players leaving the table.) The minimum bet threshold will ratchet up over time.
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Really? Have you been in a casino in the last thirty years. I see lots and LOTS of machines. I'm pretty sure the majority of gaming revenue now comes from machines.
I WORK in one, my wife WORKS in one off the strip. I visit casinos all over the city so I know what I'm talking about here.

You are confusing slot machines with dealer machines, yes the slot machines are the bulk of revenue for casinos. Dealer machines are a novelty that has been around for years with limited success.

Jusr think about it for one minute, if dealer machines were successful why are table games still in place with live dealers?????? Don't believe me, go visit a casino and spend one hour in the pit then find a dealer machine and do some math.
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Old 08-19-2017, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Here and there, you decide.
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I WORK in one, my wife WORKS in one off the strip. I visit casinos all over the city so I know what I'm talking about here.

You are confusing slot machines with dealer machines, yes the slot machines are the bulk of revenue for casinos. Dealer machines are a novelty that has been around for years with limited success.

Jusr think about it for one minute, if dealer machines were successful why are table games still in place with live dealers?????? Don't believe me, go visit a casino and spend one hour in the pit then find a dealer machine and do some math.
you have to remember that he's from NEW YORK and hasn't been here.
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Old 08-19-2017, 09:10 PM
 
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Heh? Yes, I'm from NY, but I've been to Vegas several tines, and also to casinos around here. And I know the difference between machine games (slots, VP) and table games.

I was responding to Golf''s comments that machines haven't made a dent in gaming revenue. I was pointing out that machines have become the dominant revenue generator in casinos. I know that he's talking about automated versions of table games, which in Vegas haven't been successful. But the long term trend has been to machine gaming, away from tables.

In NY State, in and around NYC, "real" casinos are still not legal (yet.) But we do have gaming. We have what are know as video lottery terminals (VP and video slots by another name.) So we have casinos that are table-less. But they're still very successful.
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Old 08-20-2017, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Now that I think about it, I remember that North Las Vegas is also investing in their downtown area
Wait. North Las Vegas has a downtown???
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Old 08-20-2017, 01:02 PM
 
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What Kind of City will Las Vegas/Henderson be in 20 Years?-avbear.gif


Good times. Hopefully, with legalized marijuana, people will mellow out a bit, tax revenue will improve, and there will be world peace. Well, at least the first two.
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Old 08-21-2017, 07:55 PM
 
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Casinos don't want or need an educated workforce. People who are smart enough to be angry about working their butts off for nothing. Same goes for retail and other service industry providers. Most university educated individuals expect to be paid a living wage and have benefits. And they don't want to work 2 or 3 jobs either. Actually it is much easier to get a McJob here if you take all the education off your resume. Most of those UNLV grads will have to leave the state to make a living.

Robots and self serve are going to cost us a lot of the jobs we have. I can see the casinos putting in self serve stations for drinks where you swipe your casino card or a debit card. And all restaurants except the really pricey ones will put order kiosks on your table and you go pick up your own food. And the cashiers will all be gone. Bartenders will be gone too.

Would love to see us become a tech hub because that would force wages up. You would think our tax structure would attract businesses but it doesn't. At least not in appreciable numbers. If we get Amazon here, of course it's a warehouse that pays zip, not a computer center/server farm, etc. Again odd because we have few natural disasters and that makes this a good place for high tech equipment. People want to live here at least partly because of the tax structure and the availability of entertainment but we don't have the jobs to support them. I had high hopes when Switch opened up but they don't seem to be growing or expanding. I hope we attract tech! That would be the best possible scenario.

I would be surprised if Las Vegas becomes the world's largest senior center. In 20 more years, half the boomers will be dead and the generations coming along behind them are smaller. The big wave of older people will be pretty much done.
Uhh... Switch is breaking ground on a new datacenter right now and has already built 2 others since I've lived here.
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