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Old 10-10-2017, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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I agree--
We have stayed at the MB and elevators are not that fast and you can wait and wait depending on how busy it is

Frankly I thought it was almost UNLIKELY that some of those cops were able to be at the station doing paperwork and hear the report, get in their cars, and get to the hotel that fast...
I would almost like to see a recreation to establish if it was possible...

This WP article addresses the inconsistency--of the guard being shot prior to concertgoer S--

HOW can the cops already be searching for the shooter while the hotel guard had just been shot and called that into his own MB security??? That sounds like they were on site prior to concertgoers behind shot---

That overlap makes no sense--
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...=.43cdcb6464d8
Yikes! That article has lawsuit written all over it. The Metro first responders had no idea the security guard was there and wounded. If the security guard immediately called to report he had been shot, they should have known where the shooter was. So the question becomes when did Mandalay Bay call the shooting in to Metro? It should have been before the shooter opened fire.

Someone else mentioned Metro's response was so fast they must have been on site. I would bet quite a few were on site or darn close to it. Metro would assign officers to any event that's going to attract thousands of extra people to an area. And most likely an increased presence in the general area and the casinos close by. So there were quite a few officers in the immediate vicinity of the venue before Paddock started shooting.

Not a word about Paddock's storage unit yet but I am still betting he has one!
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Old 10-11-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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The only thing with a shred of credibility at this point is the hotel surveillance video. I suspect we will get some peculiar response as to why it won't be released though.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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from... Las Vegas shooting: Timeline shows exactly how massacre unfolded - Business Insider

9.59 p.m.: Paddock shoots a security guard inside the Mandalay Bay.
10:05 p.m.: Paddock starts shooting out the window.
10:12 p.m.: Police inside the hotel start to close in...The first police to respond were officers who happened to be inside the Mandalay Bay for an event. Within seven minutes of the shooting they had made their way to the 31st floor, according to an official police timeline, and knew the shooter was one floor above them.
10:13 p.m.: Police outside realise where the shots are coming from.
10:15 p.m.: Paddock stops shooting out the window.
10:17 p.m.: First police arrive on Paddock's floor.
10:24 p.m.: Police officers gather near Paddock's room.
10:25 p.m.: The police issue active-shooter alert locally.
10:40 p.m.: Police wait for back-up. According to Newsweek, officers asked permission to enter Paddock's room sooner but were told to wait for SWAT teams.
11:20 p.m.: SWAT teams break into Paddock's room and find him dead.

I did see one report that the first 9-1-1 call was made at 10:09 but that could have been somebody from outside

it seems likely that the police who initially responded (and who were already in the casino) were informed by hotel staff and if so, there wouldn't have been any reason for the hotel to call 9-1-1 if they had police on site that were already being informed.

still too early for our army of arm-chairs lawyers to announce civil verdicts in this event given there is so little info out there regarding the receipt and processing of any 9-1-1 calls
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Most reports I've seen indicate that the security guard came up to the 32nd floor to investigate a door alarm..."not from the shooters room." I don't think they would have door alarms on the guest rooms, otherwise every time somebody propped their door open to run down the hall for ice you'd be dispatching security constantly to investigate.

Have also seen reports that the shooter tampered with a door on the floor involving some type of a bar. NY Times published a room diagram including the hallway and I'm betting that that door was the stairwell right outside the shooters room (see diagram) which he tried to block to prevent LE from coming onto the floor through. Being at the end of the hall, he had a clear view down the entire length of the hall of anyone coming from the elevators and would explain why the police just didn't go charging down the hall towards his room.

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphic...iagram-600.jpg

Reportedly, the shooter fired 1,000 rounds and had another 1,000 left in his room. It's probably fortunate that the shooter didn't kill more than he did.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...-shooting.html
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:00 AM
 
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But if THAT timeline is correct--
Then the shooting into the crowd STOPPED before the police were on HIS floor--
BEFORE the shooter would have seen them in the hall, threatening to breach his door--
Which is supposedly the reason he killed himself prior to their actually doing that--breaching and entering the room...
AND this was NOT a SWAT team that did the breach--nor were they police INSIDE MB already--those guys were on 31, not 32, according to this timeline--

The breach team included 5 policemen from various Vegas Metro departments who came from different locations/distances to get there according to their statements Sunday---two canine officers sans dogs, and one SWAT guy (who was not on the 60 Min show) and two other street cops
It was a random assemblage-not a predetermined, organized entry team...

I just think that timeline if it is accurate--and I would guess the reporter tried very seriously to make it correct--puts out MORE questions rather than answers
Two minutes of time before the officers arrived on the floor and Paddock stopped shooting is a LONG time in a tactical, live shooter situation...
Anything could happen in the sense that it takes little time to walk down a hall or exit a close stairwell or move into another hotel room...
Remember he had access to two halls on opposite wings through the two adjoining rooms

AND so far no hotel security footage has come to light...of anything related to Paddock being in that room...
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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But if THAT timeline is correct--
Then the shooting into the crowd STOPPED before the police were on HIS floor--
BEFORE the shooter would have seen them in the hall, threatening to breach his door--
Which is supposedly the reason he killed himself prior to their actually doing that--breaching and entering the room...
AND this was NOT a SWAT team that did the breach--nor were they police INSIDE MB already--those guys were on 31, not 32, according to this timeline--

The breach team included 5 policemen from various Vegas Metro departments who came from different locations/distances to get there according to their statements Sunday---two canine officers sans dogs, and one SWAT guy (who was not on the 60 Min show) and two other street cops
It was a random assemblage-not a predetermined, organized entry team...

I just think that timeline if it is accurate--and I would guess the reporter tried very seriously to make it correct--puts out MORE questions rather than answers
Two minutes of time before the officers arrived on the floor and Paddock stopped shooting is a LONG time in a tactical, live shooter situation...
Anything could happen in the sense that it takes little time to walk down a hall or exit a close stairwell or move into another hotel room...
Remember he had access to two halls on opposite wings through the two adjoining rooms

AND so far no hotel security footage has come to light...of anything related to Paddock being in that room...
if the reported time line is correct...

10:12 the police may have been overheard (talking, radios, doors opening/closing) in the stairwell, which was just outside the shooters room, as they were trying to access his floor via the stairwell. Three minutes later the shooting stops...nothing at all unbelievable or negligent on the hotel or PD's part.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:27 AM
 
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if the reported time line is correct...

10:12 the police may have been overheard (talking, radios, doors opening/closing) in the stairwell, which was just outside the shooters room, as they were trying to access his floor via the stairwell. Three minutes later the shooting stops...nothing at all unbelievable or negligent on the hotel or PD's part.
That is a big supposition on your part that just HEARING police (or someone) in the stairwell adjacent to his room (with the stairwell door closed/blocked) would be enough to scare Paddock with all that ammo and number of superior fire power into killing himself...

And don't forget we have heard several times that the security guard helped the police clear rooms on that hall w/his security key (ve leaving since he was already wounded in leg)
so they were doing things in that hall prior to breaching Paddock's door--which he likely could see via that monitor on the food cart...

Is that activity on the timeline--I imagine it would take time to actually CLEAR rooms and check to see if there there other shooters hiding in there as well as innocent hotel guests...
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Old 10-11-2017, 12:41 PM
 
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still too early for our army of arm-chairs lawyers to announce civil verdicts in this event aren't going to happen given there is so little info out there regarding the receipt and processing of any 9-1-1 calls
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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15 in Arizona reported today that the first lawsuit has been filed against MGM.
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Old 10-11-2017, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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15 in Arizona reported today that the first lawsuit has been filed against MGM.
that's not at all a surprise, there's probably a para legal somewhere furiously getting her boss' paperwork together to sue the concert venue, the liquor store that last sold a six-pack to the shooter and the K-mart that sold him his video equipment
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