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Old 10-30-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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And when that older airport has four runways, up to 14,000' long, it will always host more than regional jets.

If McCarren needs more capacity for commuter planes / regional jets, just take over Henderson Executive, Expand the runways to about 7500' (some other reconfiguration might be necessary), and build a people/luggage mover between the two. With two parallel runways Henderson could absorb a lot of the little bird traffic.

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On the last month for which data is available (April 2017) you find that 36% of the flights (30.3% of passengers) are less than 500 miles. In every city that builds an airport, there is always a movement to keep the older airport open for regional jets.

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197 Ontario, CA
223 Burbank, CA
226 Santa Ana, CA
231 Long Beach, CA
236 Los Angeles, CA
255 Phoenix, AZ
258 San Diego, CA
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365 Tucson, AZ
368 Salt Lake City, UT
386 San Jose, CA
397 Sacramento, CA
407 Oakland, CA
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486 Albuquerque, NM
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Old 10-30-2017, 01:57 PM
 
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when the land was bought, Ivanpah would have cost $2.4 billion to build.
Please link to your source for that $2.4 billion. Thanks.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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If you're a pilot, and have a problem with LAS, LGA must have you horrified.
What has me horrified is that airplanes are still being controlled by humans. Sully Sullenberger's infamous splash is a perfect example.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:15 PM
 
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The thought that the land would be very valuable is pretty much nonsense. You could start on any major easterly street and use it to extend the strip...and the land would be cheap.
I have no idea of what it's worth. The only two indicators I have are the selling price of the vacant lot north side of Trop west of T&Mack ($50M) for proposed UNLV stadium and the parcel that was to house the SkyVue big wheel ($10M/acre). My guess is that with McCarran gone, property values in 2/3rds of the Valley would increase, some skyrocketing. Those big brown patches to the southwest would quickly turn green, figuratively and literally.
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Old 10-30-2017, 03:37 PM
 
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Please link to your source for that $2.4 billion. Thanks.
There are several places, but from the LVS.

Wednesday, June 27, 2012: Las Vegas Sun The water fountain arch created by the pair of firetrucks on the tarmac was the first of many surprises for passengers aboard the flight, which was the first to arrive at the brand-new, $2.4 billion Terminal 3, which officially opened Wednesday.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2012/ju...358.1461886618

IMHO, the estimate from the source below of $10 billion to build and entire airport is probably low.

The new airport construction would come at an estimated cost of $10 billion, and could take at least six years to complete storybreak stars<\/title><path d="M5.146 9.01l-.19-3.623 3.057 1.985.693-1.197-3.213-1.67 3.213-1.638-.693-1.197-3.056 1.953L5.147 0H3.76l.158 3.623L.893 1.67.2 2.867l3.214 1.638L.2 6.175l.693 1.197 3.025-1.985L3.76 9.01m21.386 0l-.19-3.623 3.057 1.9 What Happens When Las Vegas McCarran International Airport Reaches Capacity? - Collin Krum 5/28/16


San Diego is planning on $2.2 billion to replace their Terminal #2, despite the replacement of the larger Terminal #1 costing less than a billion. Lindbergh Terminal 1 due for $2.2B replacement - The San Diego Union-Tribune
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Old 10-30-2017, 08:49 PM
 
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[quote=PacoMartin;49977521]IMHO, the estimate from the source below of $10 billion to build and entire airport is probably low.

Whatever the cost, it will be money well spent.
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Old 10-31-2017, 03:35 AM
 
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What has me horrified is that airplanes are still being controlled by humans. Sully Sullenberger's infamous splash is a perfect example.

Really? That was one of the best examples of pilotage in aviation history. UAL232 is another.
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Old 10-31-2017, 09:02 AM
 
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Whatever the cost, it will be money well spent.
This explains many of your posts.
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Old 10-31-2017, 10:45 AM
 
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Really? (Sully Sullenerger) was one of the best examples of pilotage in aviation history. UAL232 is another.
UAL232 yes. Cactus 1539, not by a long shot. Al Haynes and company were superior airmen. Sully et al were distracted drivers who by their own willful disregard destroyed an $80 million airplane and endangered the lives of 155 souls.
Start with "Beautiful view of the river..." (transcript, Sully) and go from there. If Sully had departed out of LAS, they would have had to fish him out of Lake Mead.

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Old 10-31-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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UAL232 yes. Cactus 1539, not by a long shot. Al Haynes and company were superior airmen. Sully et al were distracted drivers who by their own willful disregard destroyed an $80 million airplane and endangered the lives of 155 souls.
Start with "Beautiful view of the river..." (transcript, Sully) and go from there. If Sully had departed out of LAS, they would have had to fish him out of Lake Mead.
I don't know that I find Sully terribly heroic or anything. He made a sound decision. If he had returned to the airport he also would almost certainly have made it but it was close and he had no way to know it was doable. And he did a good job of getting the airplane down in one piece.

One has to be careful of these post mortems. The DC10 that went down in Chicago was also likely flyable but the pilots had no way of knowing that. So should we castigate them for failing to do what they did not know there by killing all on board?

I suggest we return to the thread title. There is a mid 200X report that Ivanpah would cost 7 billion.

I would also observe that none of the reports on Ivanpah considered it a replacement for McCarran. All see it as an extension. Long haul charters and freight. Never growing even to the present McCarran volume.
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