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Old 12-30-2018, 10:20 PM
 
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The water engineer didn't even let a developer in coyote springs run a pipeline from Lake Mead to make their development work. What makes you think that a pipeline running from northern NV to southern NV is going to happen? Too many obstacles that are in the way for that to ever work out.

More likely, massive conservation efforts will be implemented for Clark County. Huge fees for golf courses and other abusers of water. There's room for 3 million here if we make everyone conserve and it's honestly everyone's responsibility to do as such.
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Old 12-30-2018, 10:29 PM
 
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Iím afraid that you donít understand the Judgeís ruling on this matter. We are talking about inter-basin water transfers here, not pumping within a basin for use within the basin like Pahrump or Las Vegas.

The law here is well settled. The State Engineer was told about 5 years ago to come up with an objective test of over withdrawal of water and he has yet to come up with one. OleCapt at the time predicted that the State Supreme Court would overrule the local Judge but they totally backed him up.

The reality is that this matter is totally resides within the jurisdiction of the judicial branch of government and as it stands now no bank in itís right mind would loan billions on a pipeline that could operate for a few years.
You are not listening. Jason King made it clear that his ruling was to set up an appeal. And no it does not lie with the judiciary. It will lead to some amount of water to LV. The real question is how much. May well be another 5 or 10 years. But that will be the outcome.

That by the way is the proper outcome if you wish to use western water law. Which is too bad...lousy law.
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Old 12-30-2018, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Henderson
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They have already had their appeal. How did that turn out?

Let me know when construction starts on the pipeline. And without s pipeline there is no water inter-basin transfer. And the price of steel keeps going up as we wait and wait.

No, I heard what you are saying. I just don’t agree.
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:07 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Excerpt from the NPR article:
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Roerink said he plans to spend 2019 making the public and lawmakers aware of the dollar and environmental costs of the Southern Nevada Water Authority’s planned pipeline from eastern Nevada to Las Vegas.

“We do not want a $15.5 billion, 300-mile pipeline that would start near the border of Elko County and go to Las Vegas,” Roerink told State of Nevada. The Bureau of Land Management “did a study in 2011 that said the water grab would harm 305 springs, 112 miles of streams, 8,000 acres of wetlands, and 191,000 acres of wildlife habitat.”
According to the discussion, the water does "not exist" for them to even tap.
https://knpr.org/knpr/2018-12/former...-pipeline-plan
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Climate Change may be of help. An article in The Economist pointed out that in northern Russia and northern Alberta, farmers are enjoying a 2-3 week longer growing season, and if that continues, less need for agriculture in California.

It's estimated, here in AZ, 80% of the water goes to agriculture. Certainly not Israeli style of agriculture, you can bet on that. Drip irrigation?

The Israeli's are the best water managers in the world, they export technology for water conservation, and consult all over the world. In Israel you even need a city permit to put a bucket on top of your roof. Of course, of help is 4 de-sal plants.

De-sale plants in CA would certainly put a less drain on the Colorado River, but where in Califor-Nimby-a would you put them, given the CA Coastal Commission won't even allow mid-rises or high-rises along the CA shoreline? Camp Pendelton would seem to be the only solution, out of bounds for Nimby's!
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Old 12-31-2018, 09:52 AM
 
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What water engineer are you talking about?

Being part of the Colorado River system, Lake Mead has some level of federal control, so I'm guessing that may have come into play. That would not be the case for a north to south diversion project. That would be under state control, and LV now has complete control of your state government.

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The water engineer didn't even let a developer in coyote springs run a pipeline from Lake Mead to make their development work. What makes you think that a pipeline running from northern NV to southern NV is going to happen? Too many obstacles that are in the way for that to ever work out.

More likely, massive conservation efforts will be implemented for Clark County. Huge fees for golf courses and other abusers of water. There's room for 3 million here if we make everyone conserve and it's honestly everyone's responsibility to do as such.
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Old 12-31-2018, 11:53 AM
 
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They have already had their appeal. How did that turn out?

Let me know when construction starts on the pipeline. And without s pipeline there is no water inter-basin transfer. And the price of steel keeps going up as we wait and wait.

No, I heard what you are saying. I just donít agree.
You are incorrect. King turned down four permits because of a Federal Court decision. But he intends to appeal his denial as he claims it was forced by a ruling not in keeping with NV water law. The SNWA is also appealing. This all occurred in mid September and has not been resolved.

The cost of steel is not likely to be an issue. Just part of a very expensive project if it proceeds.

Some of this is very good stuff. Historically NV has ignored the actual capability of the aquifers to provide water. Pahrump is a fine example. Basically the State Engineer allowed the basin to be over allocated while the vast majority of the properties had no water source. He has now shut down the drilling of domestic wells which will almost certainly end up in the courts. If in no other way as a government taking. The value of a plot is virtually wiped out if there is no water. And it is not clear from the statutes that King has the ability to shut down domestic wells.
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Old 12-31-2018, 12:25 PM
 
Location: North Las Vegas
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All this talk of Las Vegas running out of water is dumb. SNWA is spending over $1.3 billion for a new intake and pumping station at Lake Mead. It insures that Las Vegas will always have water even if the dam stops sending water downstream to Arizona and California.
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Old 12-31-2018, 12:58 PM
 
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All this talk of Las Vegas running out of water is dumb. SNWA is spending over $1.3 billion for a new intake and pumping station at Lake Mead. It insures that Las Vegas will always have water even if the dam stops sending water downstream to Arizona and California.
The intake is in and operating. The new pump station comes on line in 2020.
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Old 12-31-2018, 01:11 PM
 
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My thought has always been on this subject is that, there is too much money to be lost here if water ever became a major shortage.

They will figure it out. Las Vegas has always be written off and we are still here with more people moving here.
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