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Old 01-06-2019, 03:48 PM
 
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I wonder who it is that runs all of those educational institutions? Are you saying the Millennials run them?
You make EA's point. I'm certain you don't realize it though.
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Old 01-06-2019, 03:57 PM
 
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So you agree with me, you either need the $100K degree or a trade school? Many with the skilled degree now need to continue schooling for a Master's or Doctorate because the market is so saturated with Bachelor's degrees they've become valueless and in order to make enough to pay off those student loans the students require more schooling to be marketable at higher wages.

You still keep dodging the question... Who is it that is running this scam? Are you saying it's the Millennials? Are the perpetrators just crooks, or are they fraudsters? It seems you agree that a large number of the degrees being sold are worthless...

If I slapped a coat of paint on a $100K condo full of mold and sold it to you, would you consider this to be an ethical business practice?
I would consider the buyer to be the same moron who paid $100K for a BS in Art History. Free choice means just what it says. You are free to choose what your goals are. If yours is to spend that $100K on a worthless piece of paper that's on you.

I put you in the category of person who is never at fault. It's always someone else that screwed things up. Never you.
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Old 01-06-2019, 04:08 PM
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I would consider the buyer to be the same moron who paid $100K for a BS in Art History. Free choice means just what it says. You are free to choose what your goals are. If yours is to spend that $100K on a worthless piece of paper that's on you.

I put you in the category of person who is never at fault. It's always someone else that screwed things up. Never you.



What do banks often require to get a home loan? A home inspection. Do you think a house inspector will miss paint covered mold? I don't.
I don't know about everyone else, but when I buy something, I watch dozens of videos on it, I read hundreds of reviews, and I try my best to check it out in person before I buy. I took 6 months to decide which welder to buy.
Why wouldn't you check out your chosen career before signing up for 100k of debt to pursue it?
I LOVE photography and writing. I'd love to be a photojournalist. But I looked at the job stats, pay, and demand and decided not to go into it.
I saw a lot of demand for welders and decided to go into it and it's working out.
I also set myself up to do mechanic work, which is also in demand, and it's working out. I still have a ways to go before I consider myself financially stable, but I'm a whole lot closer than I was last year.

What is wrong with taking personal responsibility? It seems to be a bad word these days.
No one is expecting everyone to be perfect and never make a mistake. We all mess up. But you have to learn from them and make better choices each time you do. But most people want to just blame someone else for everything that goes wrong instead of taking responsibility.
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Old 01-06-2019, 04:14 PM
 
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Exactly! ... I'd Rep you by 1000 if I could!
Clueless. You and the one you quoted. The only thing I can come up with is that neither of you understand the condition our country was in when all those programs were created, which explains why they were created, and the timeline between their creation and the beginning of the Baby Boomer generation.

I doubt that if our country got to the same level now and New Deal programs were created to put people to work that the Millennials would take the jobs offered. They won't be in a cozy office building and pay $220K a year.
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Old 01-06-2019, 04:35 PM
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Clueless. You and the one you quoted. The only thing I can come up with is that neither of you understand the condition our country was in when all those programs were created, which explains why they were created, and the timeline between their creation and the beginning of the Baby Boomer generation.

I doubt that if our country got to the same level now and New Deal programs were created to put people to work that the Millennials would take the jobs offered. They won't be in a cozy office building and pay $220K a year.



My beef with the new deal is SS, medicare, medicaid, and all the entitlements that come out of that era which didn't work.
Even the construction projects didn't do squat to end the depression. FDR lucked out with ww2. That war is the ONLY reason we got out of depression. His policies added over 1000% to the debt and hurt our income for the last 90 years.

Everyone seems to think he was so great, but he cost a lot of people a lot of money, imprisoned American citizens, and drove up the debt drastically. I can't even imagine what the country would be like now if ww2 wouldn't have happened.

Ol Billy boy had the same thing happen. he was a disaster but got saved by the dotcom boom.
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Old 01-06-2019, 05:25 PM
 
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Clueless. You and the one you quoted. The only thing I can come up with is that neither of you understand the condition our country was in when all those programs were created, which explains why they were created, and the timeline between their creation and the beginning of the Baby Boomer generation.

I doubt that if our country got to the same level now and New Deal programs were created to put people to work that the Millennials would take the jobs offered. They won't be in a cozy office building and pay $220K a year.
You’re not saying anything of value here just more nonsensical bashing of millennials. If the millennial generation had the government handouts that the baby boomers did they would surpass the baby boomers in wealth and success due to the technological advances afforded to them today. Problem is, everything that allowed the baby boomers to flourish has now been gutted. The tax rate that allowed the boomers to flourish was 86% at the upper bracket during FDR down to 70% under Carter...when Regan got in office he dropped it all the way to 38%! So not only was the government essentially transferring wealth from the people to the rich it also gutted unions which allowed corporations to overwork and underpay Americans. This has resulted in no real wage increase for Americans since the 1980s. Deregulation also lead to situations like telecom where you only have one or two internet and tv providers in your neighborhood who jack up prices and give terrible service. You also have globalization which allowed corporations to take manufacturing jobs over seas and bring the goods back to America without anything to decentivize the behavior. So basically you are downing millennials because they are maturing into an America where:

- they make less money for longer hours
- have to pay more for food and shelter
- have less of a social safety net because of government handing surpluses over to the rich via tax cuts
- have a job market that is largely service based with an unlivable wage
- rising education costs

The American dream was ripped right from them...
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Old 01-06-2019, 05:52 PM
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You’re not saying anything of value here just more nonsensical bashing of millennials. If the millennial generation had the government handouts that the baby boomers did they would surpass the baby boomers in wealth and success due to the technological advances afforded to them today. Problem is, everything that allowed the baby boomers to flourish has now been gutted. The tax rate that allowed the boomers to flourish was 86% at the upper bracket during FDR down to 70% under Carter...when Regan got in office he dropped it all the way to 38%! So not only was the government essentially transferring wealth from the people to the rich it also gutted unions which allowed corporations to overwork and underpay Americans. This has resulted in no real wage increase for Americans since the 1980s. Deregulation also lead to situations like telecom where you only have one or two internet and tv providers in your neighborhood who jack up prices and give terrible service. You also have globalization which allowed corporations to take manufacturing jobs over seas and bring the goods back to America without anything to decentivize the behavior. So basically you are downing millennials because they are maturing into an America where:

- they make less money for longer hours
- have to pay more for food and shelter
- have less of a social safety net because of government handing surpluses over to the rich via tax cuts
- have a job market that is largely service based with an unlivable wage
- rising education costs

The American dream was ripped right from them...





LMAO. holy wow you're misinformed.

Those high taxes did nothing but get the wealthy to lobby the government to create loopholes.
NO ONE paid anywhere near 86% tax ever.

Manufacturing jobs appeared because the war broke out and we needed tanks, trucks, guns, planes, and ammo.


- they make less money for longer hours
They take crappy jobs because they chose a crappy degree

- have to pay more for food and shelter
Thanks to government regulations

- have less of a social safety net because of government handing surpluses over to the rich via tax cuts
Uh, if I take 20 dollars from you, and give you back 15 did I not steal 5 dollars from you? I'm not giving you anything. I'm just taking less of your money.

- have a job market that is largely service based with an unlivable wage
Median wage is 60 grand with hundreds of thousands of 6 figure jobs available and the lowest unemployment we've had in a long time. Only people making an "unlivable" wage are idiots that are too stupid or too lazy to get in demand skills.

- rising education costs
30% of jobs require no education. Community college is free to most low income people thanks to grants. Even without a grant it's affordable. People just need to quit going to Harvard to get a degree in interpretive dance theory.


Oh and It was Bill Clinton that gave rise to 6 companies owning all of our media with his 1996 telecommunications act.
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Old 01-06-2019, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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LMAO. holy wow you're misinformed.

Those high taxes did nothing but get the wealthy to lobby the government to create loopholes.
NO ONE paid anywhere near 86% tax ever.

Manufacturing jobs appeared because the war broke out and we needed tanks, trucks, guns, planes, and ammo.


- they make less money for longer hours
They take crappy jobs because they chose a crappy degree

- have to pay more for food and shelter
Thanks to government regulations

- have less of a social safety net because of government handing surpluses over to the rich via tax cuts
Uh, if I take 20 dollars from you, and give you back 15 did I not steal 5 dollars from you? I'm not giving you anything. I'm just taking less of your money.

- have a job market that is largely service based with an unlivable wage
Median wage is 60 grand with hundreds of thousands of 6 figure jobs available and the lowest unemployment we've had in a long time. Only people making an "unlivable" wage are idiots that are too stupid or too lazy to get in demand skills.

- rising education costs
30% of jobs require no education. Community college is free to most low income people thanks to grants. Even without a grant it's affordable. People just need to quit going to Harvard to get a degree in interpretive dance theory.


Oh and It was Bill Clinton that gave rise to 6 companies owning all of our media with his 1996 telecommunications act.
Luckily, people who think like ^^^this^^^ are becoming more scarce.

They got theirs, screw everyone else. literally.
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Old 01-06-2019, 07:04 PM
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Location: Las Vegas
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Luckily, people who think like ^^^this^^^ are becoming more scarce.

They got theirs, screw everyone else. literally.

Not like that at all. I want people to take control of their lives and stop having the incompetent government do it. I want the government to stop robbing my pay so I can make my own choices on what to do with my money. Same for everyone else.
I want the government to stop inflating the costs of everything with their meddling so more people can afford to live.
I want people to be properly educated and make smart choices or stop blaming others if they do make bad choices.
I want people to have the freedom to do what they want up to the point where it intrudes on the rights of others.
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Old 01-06-2019, 07:14 PM
 
Location: California
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Luckily, people who think like ^^^this^^^ are becoming more scarce.

They got theirs, screw everyone else. literally.
Yes. They are propped up by the government and now they want it to be a “free for all”.
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