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Old 01-13-2019, 10:14 PM
 
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Well you said it yourself, locals cannot hack it. They cannot hold on to their jobs, they are getting paid more as you said but they quit! So don't blame it on the foreign workers and don't spin it!


Tech companies cannot find, attract tech employees that will stay on the job even with their higher wages compared to their foreign worker colleagues.

 
Old 01-13-2019, 10:15 PM
 
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It is discrimination! These foreign workers have bills to pay in US Dollars, they reside in the United States, pay the same amount for their utility bills, grocery bills. their rent......their bills here are not in the currency of their home country. What they do with what is left of their salary is none of your business!
So do US citizens. Why force US citizens to compete with foreign workers for a reasonable US salary?

Oh yeah, BTW, what these H1-B's typically do is load up in an apartment, one in every room(not bedroom). They buy only very basic necessities they can't get their family to ship them from India, and then wire the rest of the cash they don't spend here back to India.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 10:21 PM
 
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So do US citizens. Why force US citizens to compete with foreign workers for a reasonable US salary?

Oh yeah, BTW, what these H1-B's typically do is load up in an apartment, one in every room(not bedroom). They buy only very basic necessities they can't get their family to ship them from India, and then wire the rest of the cash they don't spend here back to India.

AGAIN, you are spinning it! Foreign workers do not dictate the wages. It is the company doing the hiring of foreign workers. These foreign workers do not even know they are being discriminated upon.


Imagine the recruiters telling a foreign worker he'll be paid less that his US citizen counterpart for the same amount of work. That will be counterproductive and will not net them the best possible candidate for the job.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 10:24 PM
 
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Enough of the spin. We've said our piece! You are trying very hard! One thing is certain, there is discrimination in the United States whether one is a foreign contract worker, a female or a minority. That is a fact!
 
Old 01-13-2019, 10:32 PM
 
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Well you said it yourself, locals cannot hack it. They cannot hold on to their jobs, they are getting paid more as you said but they quit! So don't blame it on the foreign workers and don't spin it!


Tech companies cannot find, attract tech employees that will stay on the job even with their higher wages compared to their foreign worker colleagues.
Thats a mis-characterization of what I said. I said that 90% of the new grads quit within the first 3 years of working in IT. I did not say there was a shortage of new grads to backfill those positions the recent grads left.

Actually, entry-level IT workers do not make that much money. $25K - $35K/yr is about ballpark until they get a few years experience under their belt.

So no, the companies are not paying them higher wages to begin with, and often times with the extreme costs of IT education and certifications they need to pay off that burden in addition to living expenses which makes the first few years particularly difficult.

IT training can be very expensive. In addition to a CS degree, you will also need modern computer equipment, lots of expensive software, likely access to some real commercial grade networking hardware/routers/etc to practice with for exams, likely multiple additional industry certifications that cost several thousand a piece... if you are just out of high school looking to get into the industry, you're going to need quite a bit of help funding to land that first job.

Also, IT workers tend to get treated like garbage, and this is a primary factor in why people leave the industry. When someone's AC stops working in their office, they call facilities and let them handle it. When someone's e-mail stops working they go around ranting and raving and throwing fits and screaming and whining, being very rude and abusive to the people on the phone and the people who show up to work on their issues. They also typically call every 5 minutes for status updates.

It isn't uncommon for corps to stick IT workers down in the basement along with all the other "undesirable professionists", despite their often high level of educational achievement. IT orgs are virtually never viewed as investments, only cost centers, despite the fact that virtually everything IT does automates away some other position in the company and thereby saves the company money.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 10:33 PM
 
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AGAIN, you are spinning it! Foreign workers do not dictate the wages. It is the company doing the hiring of foreign workers. These foreign workers do not even know they are being discriminated upon.


Imagine the recruiters telling a foreign worker he'll be paid less that his US citizen counterpart for the same amount of work. That will be counterproductive and will not net them the best possible candidate for the job.
You sound completely uninformed. This is standard practice in the HR departments of every major organization in the US, at least.

The HR departments don't want the best worker for the job, they want the cheapest one.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 10:36 PM
 
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@equid0x

Enough of the spin. We've said our piece! You are trying very hard! One thing is certain, there is discrimination in the United States whether one is a foreign contract worker, a female or a minority. That is a fact!
If they are being paid $35K/yr that is roughly 7 times more than they would make to do the same in India. There is no spin - this is fact. H1-B positions are supposed to be temporary, not permanent.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 10:48 PM
 
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NOT ENOUGH GRADUATES in the Nursing field and Tech Sector here in the United States, why would a company or hospital go through all the trouble of hiring a personnel from clear across the world if they have the option to hire someone locally.

As far as wages, Nursing Unions negotiate contract, wages and benefits for ALL its member nurses. Im sure the same for the tech industry.
Don't you think we would have more nursing graduates if companies advertised "80k/year starting! Signing bonus!"?

Companies go through the "trouble" of hiring internationally because it puts more money in their pockets.

The union has no power in negotiations when the government allows companies to find labor from outside the country. This is precisely what killed manufacturing in the Midwest, and why Trump is our president.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 11:07 PM
 
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Don't you think we would have more nursing graduates if companies advertised "80k/year starting! Signing bonus!"?

Companies go through the "trouble" of hiring internationally because it puts more money in their pockets.

The union has no power in negotiations when the government allows companies to find labor from outside the country. This is precisely what killed manufacturing in the Midwest, and why Trump is our president.
Nursing is another tough one. Like IT, expensive, low starting salaries, and for the first couple of years - typically some very long hours (like 36 hour long shifts).

IT tends to have long working hours as well, is nearly always salaried, the job doesn't end when you leave work, and the mountain of work to be done is quite literally endless and is never, ever being done quickly enough.
 
Old 01-13-2019, 11:13 PM
 
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To me, this exemplifies the entire problem that has occurred since the Boomers took power. There is no longer rule of law. The people keep speaking and passing these measures to protect the interests of the US citizen, and the elected representatives simply decide they if they don't like that decision, they will pass and then ignore/refuse to enforce/refuse to fund.

Same thing going on right now with the shutdown. The bill to "build the wall" was passed in 2006, but congress refuses to fund it. Again, "we don't like it so we will just ignore it." This has become a significant trend since the turn of the century.
Boomers are just useful idiots. They aren't the issue in this country.

The Politicians aren't the problem either, they're just controlled puppets by those funding them.

Figure out who is controlling the politicians and you'll find out who really runs this country.
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