cigarettes (carton) $$$ how much in nevada (new house, casino, tax)
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I smoked for 25 years before I saw the light and found the guts to quit cold turkey. And that is all it takes. GUTS! If you don't have any maybe you'll find your guts when you're gasping for breath and crying for your mommy. I quit too late and now I'm paying for it, but I quit. So, yeah, I get on my high horse. I don't care if you want to kill yourself. Just don't do it within 100 yards of me or you might end up with a burning cigarette placed where the sun don't shine, hot end first. I'd like to be able to enjoy whatever time I have left in this life without you trying to shorten it for me.
Heh, so your vice is threatening folks with physical violence for doing something you did for 25 years. Got it, maybe one day I'll gather the courage necessary to anonymously lecture others about my mistakes too.
All I wanted to point out is that if we wanted to drop advice about every person's personal choices these threads would be ridiculous debates about your own values. Why not pile on folks looking for good steak restaurants because heart disease is a bigger problem than smoking? Or pester every truck/suv driver for putting more pollutants out there because your fragile lungs can't handle it after 25 years of smoking.
Nothing personal Buzz but hopefully you'll find the guts to realize others make their own choices, good or bad.
I smoked for 25 years before I saw the light and found the guts to quit cold turkey. And that is all it takes. GUTS! If you don't have any maybe you'll find your guts when you're gasping for breath and crying for your mommy. I quit too late and now I'm paying for it, but I quit. So, yeah, I get on my high horse. I don't care if you want to kill yourself. Just don't do it within 100 yards of me or you might end up with a burning cigarette placed where the sun don't shine, hot end first. I'd like to be able to enjoy whatever time I have left in this life without you trying to shorten it for me.
Is that plain enough for you?
Oh honest to pete, the poster is from frigging New Jersey. He isn't even in Nevada to smoke within 100 yards of you to swoon in fear over your big overblown threat of physical violence.
Heh, so your vice is threatening folks with physical violence for doing something you did for 25 years. Got it, maybe one day I'll gather the courage necessary to anonymously lecture others about my mistakes too.
All I wanted to point out is that if we wanted to drop advice about every person's personal choices these threads would be ridiculous debates about your own values. Why not pile on folks looking for good steak restaurants because heart disease is a bigger problem than smoking? Or pester every truck/suv driver for putting more pollutants out there because your fragile lungs can't handle it after 25 years of smoking.
Nothing personal Buzz but hopefully you'll find the guts to realize others make their own choices, good or bad.
(*^%$&**_#@="@@ Expletives deleted) You know what I mean, jerk. I'm being honest. I know what it was like to smoke before we knew what it did to you. Now there is no reason for anyone to smoke, but if they still want to, knowing they are killing themselves, that's OK with me as long as they don't argue that they have the right to kill me too. Smokers have more justification as to why it's OK than the Nazis had in WW II. If you have to justify something so adamantly maybe you shouldn't be doing it. The truth is they...YOU I guess...are addicted to something that is much worse than eating steak, and you haven't got the huevos to quit. And, yes, the air, water, food, and the clothes on your back are all full of chemicals that are killing people. I can't do a lot about that but I can ram that cigarette up your....So if that's more violence than you blowing smoke in my face too bad ain't it?
I said I was militant about. What part of that didn't you understand?
Wow, it only took two posts for this to prove Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies and of all things it's about the American ideal of freedom of choice. All I'm talking about here is personal choice. A man came here seeking an answer to a question and he is blasted for something he does of his own volition, is perfectly legal, and is freely available throughout this land. I'll be a jerk to defend that anytime.
Begging everyone’s pardon, but I happen to be an opportunistic soapboxicator. (I just made that up.) But sometimes I take a little explaining.
Anywho, I’ll calm down and explain my outburst if I may. I know that any conversation about smoking is likely to set me off complaining about smokers so I usually grit my teeth and fight to keep quiet. This time I lost that battle.
Unfortunately, I have lost several good friends and close relatives to smoking and they died very agonizing deaths. It was hard to watch them go. Most of us started smoking before it was really known that it not only causes emphysema and lung cancer, but smoking even more frequently causes heart disease than cancer. More is known now than when I decided I’d better quit before I got cancer. But, shortly after I quit, I had a heart attack at age 43. It changed my life and I got to be healthier than I ever had been in my life. Then, ten years after the first one I had another one which, after they revived me, I woke up 24 hours later actually surprised to be alive. After they cured the pneumonia that it gave me, I had triple by-pass surgery, one of the most painful, not to mention dangerous, and frightening, operations you can imagine. A few weeks later, due to having been a runner between heart attacks, I was back at it. Six months after the operation I was climbing the 13,000 foot Wheeler Peak in Great Basin Nat’l Park, thanks to all the exercise and no longer smoking.
I felt the first heart attack was a blessing in disguise…not so much the second one. I knew the odds were I would never have had any heart attacks if I had never smoked, and had continued to exercise after high school. So I became one of those…a vocal FORMER smoker.
A few years ago my wife and I were not doing well and we found a doctor that specializes in allergies. We soon found out that it is allergies (usually to just about everything) that cause most illness, even heart attacks. And I was really allergic to tobacco smoke.
Then a couple of years ago I was diagnosed with sudden cardiac death syndrome. I thought they were kidding when they said I was a candidate for sudden death. They assured me that I needed an AICD, which is a defibrillator that is implanted in your chest to shock your heart and bring you back to life if it goes into rapid rate like over 200 beats per minute and then you drop dead. ..sudden death!!!
To make a long story short, I have “died” and been revived 24 times. The last time was last February when I had gotten pneumonia as a result of allergies. But, right after I got this thing installed, I walked into my office where there was a guy that always reeked so strongly of perfume you could literally smell him coming from 50 yards away. He had been told by other employees about my allergies, and no one else could stand to smell him either. As soon as my nose caught the perfume I went into cardiac arrest. The next day I went into cardiac arrest 20 more times.
The shock from the device is worse than being kicked by a mule, but knowing the next time might be my last is the most terrifying thing you can imagine, and I will do anything to avoid it happening again; anything except getting into a fight which would guarantee my death. So forget what I said about what I might do to someone smoking in my presence…I hope I would be able to control myself and get far away from your smoke.
This confession is not to illicit sympathy…I don’t need it or want it. This is just to give you a reality check. I hope that when some of you make the argument that it’s your choice if you want to smoke, you might realize that that is the stupidest argument for killing yourself, and at the same time poisoning my air too, that anyone could make.
Last I saw was $30 for a carton of Reds, $35 or so for Camels. Paid $3.74 for a pack of Reds the other day. Over $7 a pack?! To quote a favorite comedian, "for three more bucks you could be smoking crack."
Hope that actually answers your question. I also hope my words get through the legs of all these high horses and those who happily perch and dispense advice to us unwashed masses who partake in exactly one more vice than they do.
Hi Redwhale,
Hope you'll see this over a year later... I came across this thread while looking for cheap cigarettes within driving distance of the California desert, and I signed up for this forum just so that I could thank you for those words. I am so sick to death of people trying to force each other into "good" habits through coercion in the form of taxes or other punitive measures. I am trying, intermittently, to quit smoking, obviously at this minute not doing so well, but I can tell you that not once in my life, EVER, have I given up an unhealthy habit due to the expense of that habit. This "sin" taxation is the wrong way to go, and all it does is force people like me to search for cheaper alternatives like mail order, a little trip to Tijuana to get cheaper prices (about $15 a carton for name brands a couple of years ago), or even to consider the good old black market. I don't drink soda or eat much junk food, but I see now the good old puritans are trying to force people to quit those habits also through higher taxes. I say to hell with that. Education is what works -- not punishment. I will succeed eventually in giving up this addiction, and I will do it because I want good health, NOT because it is getting more expensive. And I think I can say that anyone who has ever had any kind of addiction whatsoever will understand exactly what I'm saying.
BTW, to Buzz123... I'm glad you were able to quit. I quit and started back up again twice at a time of severe stress, when I found myself having suicidal thoughts and figured it would be better to start over again than to literally pick up the razor blade. Again, I do want to quit. I want to quit because I want my heart and lungs to be more healthy. Eventually that will be the motivation that gets me there permanently -- not higher prices. Your comments about just "having guts" and crying to Mommy are not helpful. If that kind of pressure worked there would be no addiction anywhere on this planet.
Buzz...you're a friggin' mess! But, really man...please stay well...I love your posts.
I gotta agree to this, without Buzz`s posts this forum would`nt be the same anymore. It`s people like him who keep us active here.
Thanks Buzz!
Just for the mentioning; I quit smoking 30 years ago, just threw the pack of Cigs away and never touched one since. My wife smokes like a chimney, one after the other. After making an agreement with her, to only smoke in the kitchen with the windows opened, I`ve been able to avoid inhaling her secondhand smoke all the time.
Smoking is an addiction and a bad habit for those who are trapped in with it. I can only agree with BUZZ - just quit on the spot and never touch a cigarette again!
It`s the only real effective way to quit. After 2 - 4 weeks of being a nervous wreck, you`ll start feeling better and be able to breath fresh air again and love it.
"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to redwhale again"
I am powerless when it comes to the sweet, sweet comfort of a cigarette, but if I could keep it down to 1 or 2 cigarettes a day I would be all over it. The problem is that I can't, so I don't smoke at all anymore. I tried every single way of quitting and the only thing that works for me in the long run is to avoid smokers as much as possible and never take that first puff ever again.
I just love how people can jump into a thread and be so judgemental and angry about someone elses bad habits. And by love, I mean get over yourselves, you're not perfect either.
Good luck to you lo-in-ca!
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