[WildWestDude]

Originally Posted by Buzz123

None of those places are close enough that I would consider them a satellite community, and the ship has sailed on affordability in almost all of them. The ones that it hasn't you wouldn't want to live in anyway. Why bother? If you want to leave Vegas there are plenty of nice established cities that are cheaper to live than here. Mesquite and St. George would have been the best alternatives to Las Vegas but housing there is now too expensive. I do have a friend that moved to Mesquite recently and she loves it. She has a nice house with great views, but it wasn't cheap. And my wife and I looked around St. George about two years ago and houses were more expensive than here.

Many tourists when they fly in, see the massive desert and think its for the taking. Us locals know that LV is "land locked". The surrounding areas are owned by BLM so we have only some 20 years of growth left until we run out of space. When this happens, LV homes will become more expensive and people will be looking for homes in these satellite communities. While water is a problem as mentioned, people will still be coming out this way...........

[Buzz123]

Originally Posted by WildWestDude

Many tourists when they fly in, see the massive desert and think its for the taking. Us locals know that LV is "land locked". The surrounding areas are owned by BLM so we have only some 20 years of growth left until we run out of space. When this happens, LV homes will become more expensive and people will be looking for homes in these satellite communities. While water is a problem as mentioned, people will still be coming out this way...........

Gee, I didn't know that. Surrounded by BLM land huh? My, my, you'd think after 44 years here I'd have figured it out. Why do you think a small desert town over 80 miles away is going to be a satellite town of Las Vegas? People come here for Las Vegas, not Dolan Springs. I can see the attraction of say, St. George, but that's 120 miles away. How is that a satellite of Las Vegas? You may be right I suppose but I don't understand your thinking. What do you mean by a satellite town anyway? Now if you are talking about bedroom communities where it is close enough to commute to the big city everyday to work, my money is on Overton and Logandale. That is already happening.

[PinkString]

Originally Posted by desertsun41

St George is real nice but it closes down on Sunday and sweeps in the sidewalks. Nothing but nothing but nothing .....except churches are open..

For some that would be a drawback, for me i saw it as opportunity to be one of the only people on the bike trails every single sunday.

[RandalR]

Originally Posted by WildWestDude

The surrounding areas are owned by BLM so we have only some 20 years of growth left until we run out of space.

Or the BLM will be forced to start selling off land to foreign sovereign wealth funds at fire sale prices to make up for all of the Agency MBS and Treasury debt the government defaults on in the future, and we'll end up with "mini Macau's" all the way up 95 to Tonopah.

BLM ownership of land is not an immutable, natural barrier to development. Circumstances change.

[MomMom]

Originally Posted by RandalR

Or the BLM will be forced to start selling off land to foreign sovereign wealth funds at fire sale prices to make up for all of the Agency MBS and Treasury debt the government defaults on in the future, and we'll end up with "mini Macau's" all the way up 95 to Tonopah.

BLM ownership of land is not an immutable, natural barrier to development. Circumstances change.

Nevermind "min Macau's" all the way up 95...think about "mini-Dubai's"...with the money being spent there, it's only a matter of time before the sheiks get their hands on BLM land here and start making even more money off the backs of the American citizen, right in our own backyard...

As far the original question posed by WWdude...I wouldn't want to live anywhere else but here in LV...maybe Boulder City, because the town fathers have their #@!*& together and have limited explosive growth there. But I'd have to be really, really old to go live there. It's REAL suburbia and oh so quiet!

[WildWestDude]

Originally Posted by Buzz123

Gee, I didn't know that. Surrounded by BLM land huh? My, my, you'd think after 44 years here I'd have figured it out. Why do you think a small desert town over 80 miles away is going to be a satellite town of Las Vegas? People come here for Las Vegas, not Dolan Springs. I can see the attraction of say, St. George, but that's 120 miles away. How is that a satellite of Las Vegas? You may be right I suppose but I don't understand your thinking. What do you mean by a satellite town anyway? Now if you are talking about bedroom communities where it is close enough to commute to the big city everyday to work, my money is on Overton and Logandale. That is already happening.

Satellite communities are those that grow around a major center within a close drive. Granted St George is just under two hours but some especially Californians don't think it is that far.
Coyote Springs is such a development.

If I was to move, I would move to Mesquite. Its near beautiful St George and national parks, has a bit more action and still no state income tax. I would even be able to go to nearby Littlefield AZ to play the powerball on a weekly basis (joke)

[olecapt]

Neither Mesquite nor Coyote Springs is or will be a satellite city. Both are recreation and retirement oriented. Neither is likely to be a rational commuter destination...among other reasons both are too expensive.

Neither has sufficient water to build even half a Henderson.

Boulder City might make it but has a municipal set up that guarantees it won't occur. It is also way too expensive.

Speculation has been on the AZ borders. The water problem does not presently appear solvable.

At this point it is Las Vegas or Las Vegas. There are not going to be any new satellites.

[WildWestDude]

Originally Posted by olecapt

Neither Mesquite nor Coyote Springs is or will be a satellite city. Both are recreation and retirement oriented. Neither is likely to be a rational commuter destination...among other reasons both are too expensive.

Neither has sufficient water to build even half a Henderson.

Boulder City might make it but has a municipal set up that guarantees it won't occur. It is also way too expensive.

Speculation has been on the AZ borders. The water problem does not presently appear solvable.

At this point it is Las Vegas or Las Vegas. There are not going to be any new satellites.

Perhaps that is how it seems today. Just wait some 20+ years and if the BLM doesn't release lots and I mean lots of acreage, these areas will seem like suburbs. Nobody in their wildest dreams expected LV to be what it is today some 20 yrs ago......
No matter what the reason for being build isn't Coyote Springs still a satellite community?

Perhaps more water from the Colorado River for NV and stricter water management can alleve the water shortage.
I don't know for sure, but the region won't just stop growing.

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by WildWestDude

Perhaps that is how it seems today. Just wait some 20+ years and if the BLM doesn't release lots and I mean lots of acreage, these areas will seem like suburbs. Nobody in their wildest dreams expected LV to be what it is today some 20 yrs ago......
No matter what the reason for being build isn't Coyote Springs still a satellite community?

Perhaps more water from the Colorado River for NV and stricter water management can alleve the water shortage.
I don't know for sure, but the region won't just stop growing.

The domination of water favors Las Vegas. If deals can be worked on the Colorado they will almost certainly favor Las Vegas.

Any satellite city requires a range of housing and at least some industry and commerce. . You will not find that in Coyote Springs or Mesquite.

Where Las Vegas is today was perfectly projectable 20 years ago. Just presume what was going on would continue. It is actually trickier to day because there are factors that may well substantially diminish the growth.

[Buzz123]

Isn't Coyote Springs on hold? It may never get off the ground.

Just as a point of interest. My understanding is that the BLM does not own any land, it only controls it and takes care of it for the public. So it belongs to all of us, and IMO it behoves us all to leave it alone or we will run out of a place to go to get away from the other a-holes around us. The military bases are more or less owned by the Federal Govt., but not BLM land.

A couple of my favorite Edward Abbey quotes:

Though men now possess the power to dominate and exploit
every corner of the natural world, nothing in that fact implies
that they have the right or the need to do so. Edward Abbey

“Wilderness is not a luxury but a necessity of the human spirit” ---Edward Abbey

Why do I live in the desert? Because the desert is the *locus Dei*.
Edward Abbey