[Las Vegan Cajun]

Originally Posted by olecapt

Read the thread. That was the point. People in North NLV do not send their children to Cheyenne or Mojave. And people who care about schools in Henderson would not send their kids to Basic or Foothill. But Shadow Hills and Arbor View are quite acceptable schools like GV and Coronado.

And lets not forget that the drug dealers are making a lot of money off the kids that attend GV and Coronado too.

[lvkewlkid]

yes they are, to prove it, straight from the comparison of nevadareportcard.com, in the 05-06 school year, coronado had 8 substance related discipline, while cheyenne only had 2, green valley had 20...

[Las Vegan Cajun]

Interesting stats. It appears that the kids at Cheyenne HS cannot afford the drugs like they can at Green Valley HS, so the kids at Cheyenne HS fight more, compare the violence related stats. And the kids at Silverado HS are into weapons more than Green Valley HS, Cheyenne HS & Coronado HS all combined.

Out of these four high schools where would one send their kids. Green Valley has the lowest violence rate of the four but the higest drug related incidents. Silverado has the highest weapons related incidents with the second higest violence related incidents, but the drug related incidents are less than half of what they are at Green Valley HS. Coronado comes in second for violence, drugs & weapons, at least they are not number one in any of those three catagories. Cheyenne has the lowest drug related incidents, absolutlely no weapons incidents but is so far ahead in violence related incidents that the other schools aren't even in the running.

Conclusion: If you want your kids to go to a weapons free school where drugs are almost non-existent, but more likely to get his butt kicked, then send them to Cheyenne HS. If you want your kids to go to school that is more peaceful but they take the term high school literally then send them to Green Valley HS. If you are pround member of the NRA and support the second amendment right to keep and bear arms, send them to Silverado HS. If you want a little mix of it all and don't want to be in first place in any catagory, second place will be just fine, send them to Coronado HS.

[olecapt]

Originally Posted by Las Vegan Cajun

Interesting stats. It appears that the kids at Cheyenne HS cannot afford the drugs like they can at Green Valley HS, so the kids at Cheyenne HS fight more, compare the violence related stats. And the kids at Silverado HS are into weapons more than Green Valley HS, Cheyenne HS & Coronado HS all combined.

Out of these four high schools where would one send their kids. Green Valley has the lowest violence rate of the four but the higest drug related incidents. Silverado has the highest weapons related incidents with the second higest violence related incidents, but the drug related incidents are less than half of what they are at Green Valley HS. Coronado comes in second for violence, drugs & weapons, at least they are not number one in any of those three catagories. Cheyenne has the lowest drug related incidents, absolutlely no weapons incidents but is so far ahead in violence related incidents that the other schools aren't even in the running.

Conclusion: If you want your kids to go to a weapons free school where drugs are almost non-existent, but more likely to get his butt kicked, then send them to Cheyenne HS. If you want your kids to go to school that is more peaceful but they take the term high school literally then send them to Green Valley HS. If you are pround member of the NRA and support the second amendment right to keep and bear arms, send them to Silverado HS. If you want a little mix of it all and don't want to be in first place in any catagory, second place will be just fine, send them to Coronado HS.

If you wish the kids educated you go for GV and Coronado. If your kids are smart or talented you ship them off to ATech or the Las Vegas Academy. If you have money you move to BC...which has a fine high school and very low violence. The whole better set of High Schools is reasonably uniform...as the populations are generally of mixed socio-economic backgrounds. BC is exempt because it is physically too remote for bussing.

Note that weapons here are not often firearms. Penknives, scissors and such are most of the problem.

[Las Vegan Cajun]

Just what this town needs more of...highly educated potheads. At least they keep the drug dealers gainfully employed and off of welfare. LOL!!!

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by olecapt

Note that weapons here are not often firearms. Penknives, scissors and such are most of the problem.

I guess it depends on what you consider often. Would 80 gun incidents in a year be often or not? To me it is. Penkives and scissors? Not that I'm familiar with... scissors?? I've never heard of a student being suspended or in trouble for having scissors. There have been guns at school, as well as knives (not penkives, but more like hunting knives!).

Here's an interesting report:
http://www.securitymanagement.com/library/000712.html (broken link)

Here's a paragraph from that where they talk about weapon incidents at Clark County Schools:
"Although specially trained to deal with minors, school police encounter the same adult-like range of criminal activity that afflicts the surrounding community. For example, there were 172 knife incidents reported to school police last year, and 80 gun incidents were logged. Officers made an astounding 1,323 arrests last year. Among the major problems are gangs and drugs. "

Here's a very recent story of a gun being brought to a CCSD school:
http://www.lvrj.com/news/7007352.html

NOTE that it was 38th gun confiscation at a Las Vegas school so far THIS YEAR and it's only April:
http://www.kxnt.com/pages/352674.php...ntentId=410456

Here's another:
http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6393743

[olecapt]

So out of the roughly 500 weapons found each year 10% are guns. Scissors actually are a rather potent weapon in at least some versions...right up there with ice picks. Pen knives are specifically included in the weapons list. As are baseball bats if your thought is impure.

It also turns out that school is about 40 times safer than out of school as far as child homicide rates are concerned. And the vast majority of murdered children are done by adults.

[RedWingsFan]

Originally Posted by olecapt

So out of the roughly 500 weapons found each year 10% are guns. .

Doesn't matter if it's 1 percent that are guns. From the Virginia Tech massacre and other such shootings even ONE gun incident on campus per year is one too many as far as I'm concerned.

Let's not downplay or try to justify 80 gun incidents in one year (and that's just those caught, not those that had guns and weren't caught). How many weeks in the school year? 36? So there are on average 2 guns found per week in schools in that city?

I know you like to always disgree with me regardless of the topic, but downplaying the gun and knife incidents is not a good position for anyone to take.

I think those are alarming statistics and most level headed parents would rightfully agree. There is no way to polish this one up and make it look pretty.

[olecapt]

Well we do agree that one gun is to many. However when we see 5 "weapons violations" on a campus we do not know if there are any guns involved at all do we? And we don't know if someone cocked a baseball bat at someone else or if a 12 year old forgot to leave his pocket knife at home. Or perhaps we had a bloodthirsty kid with a 6 inch switch blade who came to school that day to carve a rival. The zero tolerance policy and the refusal to use judgement makes it difficult if not impossible to tell if there is a problem or not. All offenses look the same...from stupid kid to deranged and homicidal teenager they all look the same. And the school police do not appear to publish their arrest data.

"Incidents" are vague thing. The report of someone with a gun near a school likely constitutes an incident. How many arrests for firearms were there? By policy anyone with a firearm is arrested. But I don't think you will find 80 firearm arrests.

So sure it is a problem...how big a problem in a particular school? Hard to tell.

Has there been a fatality in a CCSD school shooting since in the one in 1990? I don't know of one and am pretty sure not in recent years. So are we safer than San Diego which has had several this decade? Or Los Angeles which has one or more yearly?

[RCL]

Originally Posted by scirocco22

I agree, olecapt. Using the term ghetto is disturbing in that it connotes cultural or racial overtones. Veiled racism, perhaps.


--'rocco

Ghettos come in all colors. It sounds like you have never seen a predominantly white ghetto made up of low-life, drug-addicted, welfare whites? I grew up near just such a place in Clearlake, CA. Those white pigs in that ghetto area (which everyone avoided) were the rottenest people I've ever seen. There was not a person of color within a 10 mile radius either. Go back and view the census results. In my high school of 450 kids, there were 2 blacks and about 5 hispanics, everyone else was lily-white, and that was for an area covering half the county. But we sure did have some seedy white-trash ghettos in the town. They were just as rancid, raunchy and unsafe as any minority ghetto I've ever been in.

Ghetto is about class and lifestyle (or lack thereof). It can be applied to any race or nationality.