[olecapt]

Originally Posted by chi166

I think the point I'm trying to get across is this. I think we can mostly all agree. In Las Vegas crime exists everywhere. It's to what degree the crime occurs. Same for the schools. Drugs, booze, gangs and other crime occurs in all school. Again, it's to what degree does it occur?

Actually crimes exists everywhere in Las Vegas and EVERYWHERE ELSE

But crime rates vary across Las Vegas by a factor of more than 40 times. By zip code it is more than 10 times. There are areas of Las Vegas, Henderson and Summerlin for example....that are about as safe as any middle class city in the US.

You still have in no way differentiated Las Vegas schools from those elsewhere. In my personal opinion the bottom schools in Las Vegas are, in fact, better than the bottom schools in many large cities...Detroit or Milwaukee for example.

Here's the Channel 3 crime tracker.

News 3 Las Vegas Crime Tracker 3

My crime maps are probably better for most purposes. The NLV site is virtually impenetrable in any real way...and the Metro site uses scoring that correlates to little other than the rest of Metro.

Here's one more thing to digest. In some areas and circles, the police in considered the enemy. You will find that crime will go unreported rather than dealing with the police. Some have the motto of not liking "snitches" in the area. This bleeds down all the way to middle school level.

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In some areas reporting crime can get you killed. As long as that is true one has to be really brave or really stupid to report certain crimes. It is one of the reasons that the Police need to avoid the immigration enforcement role. Takes a whole lot of faith in the cops to testify in some of these matters. Destroy that faith in other ways and the testimony is not going to be there.

[PinkString]

Originally Posted by chi166

I think the point I'm trying to get across is this. I think we can mostly all agree. In Las Vegas crime exists everywhere.

I don't agree that crime exists everywhere in Vegas. There is crime, here and there but not everywhere.
As for schools, that isn't relevant to me, so i am not concerned about it.

[airics]

i dont agree that crime exists everywhere in vegas either, according to the lvpd map in the last 60 days, there was a juvenile disturbance in my area, big deal.

[chi166]

Originally Posted by PinkString

I don't agree that crime exists everywhere in Vegas. There is crime, here and there but not everywhere.
As for schools, that isn't relevant to me, so i am not concerned about it.

Please don't use only parts of the quote to make a point.

"It's to what degree the crime occurs."

[chi166]

Originally Posted by olecapt

Actually crimes exists everywhere in Las Vegas and EVERYWHERE ELSE

But crime rates vary across Las Vegas by a factor of more than 40 times. By zip code it is more than 10 times. There are areas of Las Vegas, Henderson and Summerlin for example....that are about as safe as any middle class city in the US.

You still have in no way differentiated Las Vegas schools from those elsewhere. In my personal opinion the bottom schools in Las Vegas are, in fact, better than the bottom schools in many large cities...Detroit or Milwaukee for example.

RESPONSE: Public school systems of large cities by and large are not adequate. It's like giving Detroit an F, Chicago a D- and Las Vegas a D. They still aren't up to par with testing scores. The campus of a LV school will look much nicer than a eastern city school. The schools in a nicer area of LV will generally do better. Why? Teachers with tenure would rather teach in a nicer school than crummy school. I blame the parents in many of these cases. The killer line of "My kid would never do that." That's usually the kiss of death.

My crime maps are probably better for most purposes. The NLV site is virtually impenetrable in any real way...and the Metro site uses scoring that correlates to little other than the rest of Metro.

RESPONSE: Link please

In some areas reporting crime can get you killed. As long as that is true one has to be really brave or really stupid to report certain crimes. It is one of the reasons that the Police need to avoid the immigration enforcement role. Takes a whole lot of faith in the cops to testify in some of these matters. Destroy that faith in other ways and the testimony is not going to be there.

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RESPONSE: The immigration enforcement rule should be to get ANY people illegally out that don't belong. This is not and should not be an open border society. If you want to come to America, come legally.

[chi166]

Originally Posted by olecapt

More relevantly to the overall situation Nevada pays more income tax per capita than almost any other state. How come?

I don't do the budget, don't ask me.

How does that compare to other large urban school systems? National numbers are a much different mix. Not relevant to a city school system.

It doesn't matter. Bad numbers are bad numbers. So because another city sucks it's perfectly ok to suck too? That's like a kid bring home a test score of a D. The kid tells the parent "Over half the class failed." That won't fly in the business world.

Ahh what happened to ADTech, The Las Vegas Academy, VoTech and the CSN high schools? Your credibility comes in question when you pick only from one end of the spectrum

No complaint with two. LVA on the other hand is what it is. An arts academy. Most kids going to an art school can't stay with it in the real world. That's why they are starving artists. It's good if that what they really want. I'm a former art student kid. It did no help in the real world except attain customer service call center. It's great if you're into culture, which most of Vegas is more into a one armed bandit. That's all preference.

You have not made your case. The very capable are well served. The first tier of regular high schools appear at least adequate...some maybe better than that. I would place Gorman and Faith in this class. Meadows is up there with ADTech perhaps. I see no crying need for more private schools.

Note again that this is a State with very high per capita federal taxes. Do you really feel that happens because they lack income?

I have most certainly made my case. I did the research and backed it up with numbers and facts. If you've made up your mind on the fact that CCSD and NLV are great things to be a part of. Go ahead, I am not going to persuade you nor can you try to take parts of fact or lump private schools in with CCSD.

I can also argue there's no state tax and the property taxes are much more reasonable than back east or due west.

Gorman and Faith Lutheran are very good schools, but those are private. That's not apples to apples. We're discussing CCSD which those two schools are not a part of. You want to talk about higher end CCSD schools. Let's discuss Sierra Vista, Centennial, Shadow Ridge or Coronado. You're trying to lump two private schools into CCSD to prop it up. I knew before posting you are me were not going to agree on much. I still respect your thoughts though.

[PinkString]

Originally Posted by chi166

Please don't use only parts of the quote to make a point.

"It's to what degree the crime occurs."

I save bandwidth by not replying to the whole post. That's the way I do it, no need to change it.

[chi166]

Lame excuse if there ever was. You just used more bandwidth from quoting both hehe. So misquoting is ok in your world. I hope others see that and take that admission for what it is. I will only use part of a quote to bottle it up and make a point. Politics are in your future.

[PinkString]

Chi, do us both a favor and quit while you are behind. Why do you keep wanting to argue with me? I am just stating my points like everyone else is.

[dynimagelv]

quit while you're ahead chi...you won't win