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Old 03-21-2007, 06:42 PM
 
Location: South Strip, NV --> Philly (Fall 2009)
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rothbard,

so, they count your benefits as part of your salary and then you find that out after you start? I cant believe they get away with that.

Anyway, serious question. I'm 30 and about to possibly take a professional level job out there...have to make up my mind by the end of the week. Realistically, what do you think a person needs to make to live comfortably in las vegas? I am not yet interested in buying a home. I just mean, how much money per year do you think is a fair wage in that city?

thanks
Everyone's situation is different...
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Old 03-22-2007, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Temecula
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I am 30 and have lived is so cal all my life, but have visited Vegas quite often. I don't mean to be rude or offend anyone who lives in Vegas, as it is interesting to visit or drive through. If you are religious or have solid values and ethics, you will hate the continued promotion of SIN, sex, and greed, that LV seems so proud to honor. They even try to make it seem ok, all in the name of "fun or recreation" Sorry, but I know of better things to do for fun and recreation that to visit LV, get drunk, gamble, and cheat on my wife.

Lost Vegas would be one of the last places I would ever consider moving to especially now that I have a family. They don't call it SIN CITY for nothing.
In Vegas you get:

-Rampant Prostitution and Porn
-High Crime, theft, vandalism, graffiti
-Horrible weather, especially the summer.
-Bad smog
-Bad sewage system, the city literally stinks!
-A huge water problem, water rationing, penalties, etc.
-Did I mention the horrible traffic? I mean horrible.
-A large substance abuse and alcohol problem.
-One of the largest housing bubbles in the country that is going to crash BIG! I would not buy a home anytime soon in LV. (theres so much more to this argument, I won't even get into it here, but Vegas has already started the crash of its ridiculously priced stucco boxes)..expect at least 50-60% off of 2005 prices in the year 2010.
-I know there are other jobs, but most revolve around Casino's and Travel/Tourism

I see unemployment, worse crime, and a BIG housing crash in LV's near future. Please avoid this city, unless you feel you can help change it for the better.
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Old 03-22-2007, 07:37 PM
 
Location: NW Las Vegas - Lone Mountain
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Oh Boy - Another CA with too much time on his hands.

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I am 30 and have lived is so cal all my life, but have visited Vegas quite often. I don't mean to be rude or offend anyone who lives in Vegas, as it is interesting to visit or drive through. If you are religious or have solid values and ethics, you will hate the continued promotion of SIN, sex, and greed, that LV seems so proud to honor. They even try to make it seem ok, all in the name of "fun or recreation" Sorry, but I know of better things to do for fun and recreation that to visit LV, get drunk, gamble, and cheat on my wife.
Hmmm...Then why did you visit "Vegas quite often"? No wait...I got it. You come to check out our cultural assets?

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Lost Vegas would be one of the last places I would ever consider moving to especially now that I have a family. They don't call it SIN CITY for nothing.
Ahhh so that is why you visit?

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In Vegas you get:

-Rampant Prostitution and Porn
None of that in So CA? No escort services...

Young Centerfolds Chocolate Strawberry & Vanilla
Carlsbad, CA 92008

Does not exist? Or maybe they are peddling confections?

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-High Crime, theft, vandalism, graffiti
Fascinating...you never notice that crime in Temecula is higher than that in Henderson NV for all categories except stolen cars...so we presume you are a true Californian and value your car more than the life of your wife or children?

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-Horrible weather, especially the summer.
Actually 6 months of the year it is nicer than So CA. Winters and summers are not as nice as So CA. So you split this one.

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-Bad smog
You are kidding right? You ever been to Los Angeles? How about Pasadena or Pomona?

On its worse day Vegas is a good day in inland Los Angeles.

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-Bad sewage system, the city literally stinks!
Well an original one anyway. There is a small area in one part of town that has been odious on one day or the other. Though no one has actually traced it to the sewers. So CA however has beaches that beat that hands down.

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-A huge water problem, water rationing, penalties, etc.
Compared to where? Santa Barbara say? Remember that much of So CA gets its drinking water from the Colorado..same source as Las Vegas. Hey maybe we should shut off the flow at the dam and let you guys wither away.

Quote:
-Did I mention the horrible traffic? I mean horrible.
You really think we have traffic? You ever been at the 405 and Harbor in the rush hour. Ever tried mid Orange county during the rush hour? Ever come through the pass on the 91 between 3 and 8 in the evening? I am actually surprised any So CA could write that.

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-A large substance abuse and alcohol problem.
About the same as CA and less than most states

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-One of the largest housing bubbles in the country that is going to crash BIG! I would not buy a home anytime soon in LV. (theres so much more to this argument, I won't even get into it here, but Vegas has already started the crash of its ridiculously priced stucco boxes)..expect at least 50-60% off of 2005 prices in the year 2010.
And you live in Temecula? And you dare to lecture Vegas about housing prices? Tells us what the median home price in Temecula is? What was the appreciation last year? And this for a tules area well out in the wilderness. The chutzpah of some Californians. Living in one of the world's worst bubble and throwing rocks.

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-I know there are other jobs, but most revolve around Casino's and Travel/Tourism

I see unemployment, worse crime, and a BIG housing crash in LV's near future. Please avoid this city, unless you feel you can help change it for the better.
Got that from funny little voices in your head?
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Old 03-22-2007, 08:31 PM
 
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I am 30 and have lived is so cal all my life, but have visited Vegas quite often. I don't mean to be rude or offend anyone who lives in Vegas, as it is interesting to visit or drive through. If you are religious or have solid values and ethics, you will hate the continued promotion of SIN, sex, and greed, that LV seems so proud to honor. They even try to make it seem ok, all in the name of "fun or recreation" Sorry, but I know of better things to do for fun and recreation that to visit LV, get drunk, gamble, and cheat on my wife.

Lost Vegas would be one of the last places I would ever consider moving to especially now that I have a family. They don't call it SIN CITY for nothing.
In Vegas you get:

-Rampant Prostitution and Porn
-High Crime, theft, vandalism, graffiti
-Horrible weather, especially the summer.
-Bad smog
-Bad sewage system, the city literally stinks!
-A huge water problem, water rationing, penalties, etc.
-Did I mention the horrible traffic? I mean horrible.
-A large substance abuse and alcohol problem.
-One of the largest housing bubbles in the country that is going to crash BIG! I would not buy a home anytime soon in LV. (theres so much more to this argument, I won't even get into it here, but Vegas has already started the crash of its ridiculously priced stucco boxes)..expect at least 50-60% off of 2005 prices in the year 2010.
-I know there are other jobs, but most revolve around Casino's and Travel/Tourism

I see unemployment, worse crime, and a BIG housing crash in LV's near future. Please avoid this city, unless you feel you can help change it for the better.
I would have to agree with you on some things, but not on all of them. I agree that if you are religious you probably won't want to go visit Vegas. My sister is very religious and they won't dare visit the place. I also agree with you about the prostitute, porn, crime and graffitti.

When it comes to traffic I think that's a silly one. All large cities have traffic problems. All big cities have drug and alcohol problems. They almost all have water rationing, especially when it comes to watering lawns. That's not stupid, it's common sense for the community and planet. And bad sewage? Maybe you ate too much at the buffet and had gas all night. I can't say I've ever experienced the city smelling bad in my decade of living there. And smog... it's not even from the people there, it blows in from other states! It's not their fault, blame the people in California.

And yes, many jobs center around tourism? So what? Every major area has it's "thing" and that just so happens to be it for Vegas.

Cheat on your wife? Don't blame that on Vegas...that's all you! That city can't make you cheat on your wife.
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Old 03-22-2007, 09:52 PM
 
Location: Temecula
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Oh Boy - Another CA with too much time on his hands.
#1
Hmmm...Then why did you visit "Vegas quite often"? No wait...I got it. You come to check out our cultural assets?
#2 and #3
Ahhh so that is why you visit?
None of that in So CA? No escort services...
Young Centerfolds Chocolate Strawberry & Vanilla
Carlsbad, CA 92008
Does not exist? Or maybe they are peddling confections?
#4
Fascinating...you never notice that crime in Temecula is higher than that in Henderson NV for all categories except stolen cars...so we presume you are a true Californian and value your car more than the life of your wife or children?
#5
Actually 6 months of the year it is nicer than So CA. Winters and summers are not as nice as So CA. So you split this one.
#6 and 7
You are kidding right? You ever been to Los Angeles? How about Pasadena or Pomona?
On its worse day Vegas is a good day in inland Los Angeles.
#8
Well an original one anyway. There is a small area in one part of town that has been odious on one day or the other. Though no one has actually traced it to the sewers. So CA however has beaches that beat that hands down.
#9
Compared to where? Santa Barbara say? Remember that much of So CA gets its drinking water from the Colorado..same source as Las Vegas. Hey maybe we should shut off the flow at the dam and let you guys wither away.
#10 and 11
You really think we have traffic? You ever been at the 405 and Harbor in the rush hour. Ever tried mid Orange county during the rush hour? Ever come through the pass on the 91 between 3 and 8 in the evening? I am actually surprised any So CA could write that. About the same as CA and less than most states
#12
And you live in Temecula? And you dare to lecture Vegas about housing prices? Tells us what the median home price in Temecula is? What was the appreciation last year? And this for a tules area well out in the wilderness. The chutzpah of some Californians. Living in one of the world's worst bubble and throwing rocks.
#13
Got that from funny little voices in your head?
Wow, it looks like we found the mayor of LV, you must be proud. I started off by saying that this wasn't personal, and my advice was geared towards that of a family man that was thinking about moving to Vegas, and I still stand by my opinion that it is one of the worst areas to raise a family. Also, I never said Temecula was the bomb, and I actually bash Temecula quite a bit. I am actually looking to leave the state of CA, so I don't know why you feel the need to put down CA or so cal in your arguments, you should do that in the CA forums instead. I am not an advocate for Temecula, socal or CA for that reason, so lets get that straight.

Comment 1:
I visit LV for family, the supercross in May every year, and on the way to Lake Powell, or other destinations. I don't go there just to vegetate in front of a slot machine, or visit the numerous strip clubs(which apparently you are not aware of) that have big billboards lining the streets and freeways.
Comment 2:
This is a desperate attempt at a personal attack, no substance here.
Comment 3:
The fact that you can even compare the amount or the availability of prostitution and porn industry in LV to that of socal just shows how much "kool-aid" this guy is drinking. Yes there are some strip clubs in so cal, but a small fraction of what is available, promoted, and visibly advertised all over Las Vegas. Not that I'm defending Temecula, cause I don't care to, but there is no strip club here either, the fact that you had to find one in Carlsbad is pathetic. I think the closest one is in Riverside or Ontario, easily over 30 min away. The sensible people reading this will realize that exposure to mature sexual business(both legal and illegal) is much more prevalent in Las Vegas than most everywhere else in the country.
Comment 4:
This is way out in left field.. first of all, you throw in Henderson, when we are talking about Las Vegas. And for you to discount the high crime in LV is asinine. You don't see CSI:Riverside County, but you do see it in LV, you also see many episodes of COPS shot in LV. Las Vegas is rated an 8 of 10 in violent crime and 8 of 10 in property crime ...on a 1-10 scale 10 being the worst!! look here for the facts:
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Once again, not to defend Temecula, but we are way safer at 4 and 6 respectively. And I really don't understand why you would assume I would value my car more than family, but I'll assume its the kool aid yer drinkin wherever you are.
Comment #5:
What six months of the year are you talking about??? Winters are colder and summers hotter(way to hot for most people) than in CA. Are you saying spring and fall is nicer in LV than in socal? I agree that those are your best times in LV, but they are in so cal too. Yeah.. those seasons really suck here in socal...wow!! How are you even qualified to use a computer? This is one are where I will defend Temecula, the weather is awesome here, sunny, with mild seasons.
Comment #6 & 7:
I never said smog was better in socal than LV, but LV smog sucks. I agree that many LA, and other areas have bad smog, which is why I wouldn't live there either. But anyone flying in, or driving in from Primm or St. George can see the thick brown smog engulfing LV. BTW, Temecula has very clean air considering socal, we get a sea breeze most afternoons, and this area is know for clean air. The point is that there is a smog problem in LV.
Comment 8:
I don't know why you bring up so cal beaches? I don't know of any sewage problems in socal, not that it matters, what does matter though is that LV is a big flat piece of land, and all the hotels are all crammed into a small area, and the sewage from all the people builds up, and it is noticeable when in certain areas, personally this is just botherson, and goes along with the "filthy" theme that LV seems to have. Personally, I'd be embarrassed if my city smelled like rotting terds when walking around it, but thats just me. BTW I'm not the only one noticing this... numerous people complain about it online after visiting the city, just google las vegas sewage smell.
Comment #9:
Las Vegas does have a water problem.. check it out
AG Weekly Online -- Twin Falls, Idaho
Once again, instead of denying that LV has a water problem, he says that socal does too, which I have never argued. Point is, be prepared for water shortages in LV, and don't expect a grass lawn. Hope your kids like playing over the rocks in the backyard!
Comment #10 and 11:
Traffic is bad in LV and LA. Wow! Big news, but if you are considering moving to LV, there has to be some kind of catch, and traffic is horrible. Try driving down Tropicana from west to east or vice versa any time of the day, good luck. In so cal, we have traffic, but at least its nice here. Las Vegas has traffic, and stinks.
Comment #12:
Once again you are in the wrong forum, you should be in the CA forum. I never said that Temecula didn't have a huge housing bubble. I fully agree, and that is why I don't recommend Temecula to many people. That is also why I sold my home last year and now I rent and invested the money elsewhere. I can say that there is a huge hosing bubble in LV, regardless of where I live.
Check it out here:
According to Hubble Smith in this morning’s Las Vegas Review Journal: [Hat tip Judge!]
There are 19,639 single-family homes for sale on the Multiple Listing Service, up 4.6 percent from 18,774 in January and up 11 percent from 17,675 in February 2006. Condos and townhomes for sale increased to 5,524, up 8 percent from 5,116 in January and up 34 percent from 5,212 last February.
Single-family sales slumped to 1,407 in February, a 21.3 percent decrease from the same month a year ago, but 10 more homes than were sold in January.
The condo and townhouse segment was worse. The 277 sales in February were off 12.9 percent from the previous month and 42.8 percent from a year ago.
This is not good news for the Las Vegas home market. This means there is a 14 months supply of SF homes on the market, and a 20 month supply of condos on the market. Realtors like to call a 6 month supply a "balanced" market- these ratios indicate stress in the market. Prices are expected to decline, as sellers are forced to compete for the few available buyers.
Encouraged by the GLVAR, many sellers took their homes off the market in the past winter, so it is expected that inventory will continue to grow in the coming months.
Comment #13:
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that there will be issues in LV especially after the housing collapse. People will get desperate, and when this happens, crime goes up. After all the construction jobs, and other jobs that were created during the last 10 years of the housing boom start to disappear like landscapers, flooring people, granite people, etc. there will be unemployment in LV. the Casinos will always be there and provide jobs, but is it a quality job/environment, and will it pay well?

olecapt.. not to get personal, but step out of that smoke filled casino, and smell the sewage, its for real!

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Old 03-22-2007, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Somewhere.
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Vegas is closed.
That is the best way to look at it if you have kids to raise. Just put it out of your mind entirely. There are plenty of nice small towns in Nevada, Arizona & New Mexico if you like the southwest. I have been a teacher in Vegas for the past couple of years. Student behavior is usually what you would expect (corresponds to their grade level, etc...). However, general morality and the things they get into trouble for outside of school is simply astonishing. The only notable exceptions are students who are members of the sizable Mormon community here (they veer towards the other extreme; good people). Their parents somehow ensure that they remain isolated from certain influences. How is a mystery to me. If you move to Vegas, plan on making the extreme sacrifice it takes to homeschool. That is what my wife and I will do if we're still stuck in this hellhole in a few years. I'm pretty confident we won't be, though.
Crime is so bad that there are exactly two decent places to live in town; Centennial Hills & Summerlin. Sadly, like too many places in the U.S. these days the housing prices there are ridiculous because of moron cutthroat speculators who are too lazy and ignorant to learn about the stock market and choose instead to view "homes" as "investments".
The growth here is tremendous. There are too many people; an inordinate number of whom are rude & unfriendly (ex-Los Angeleans & New Yorkers). Traffic is bad. 8000 people move here per month, while 3000 leave. I find the enormous number 8000 to be less noteworthy than the slightly less enormous number 3000. Who do you think knows more about living here in a given month- the 3000 who already have; or the 8000 newcomers?
Don't do it.
1. Crime is not that bad here. Depending on where you live. The crime-ridden area's are less than the good area's. Don't let this jaded poster make you think otherwise.

2. 6,000 move in, 3,000 move out. Although i'm sure it's alot more than 3,000.

3. There are more friendly people here than unfriendly. It's all in the attitude. If someone goes around in a doom and gloom attitude, nothing makes them happy, no place on earth will either. Don't blame the city, blame the guy in the mirror.
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Old 03-22-2007, 10:21 PM
 
Location: Temecula
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When it comes to traffic I think that's a silly one. All large cities have traffic problems. All big cities have drug and alcohol problems. They almost all have water rationing, especially when it comes to watering lawns. That's not stupid, it's common sense for the community and planet. And bad sewage? Maybe you ate too much at the buffet and had gas all night. I can't say I've ever experienced the city smelling bad in my decade of living there. And smog... it's not even from the people there, it blows in from other states! It's not their fault, blame the people in California.

And yes, many jobs center around tourism? So what? Every major area has it's "thing" and that just so happens to be it for Vegas.

Cheat on your wife? Don't blame that on Vegas...that's all you! That city can't make you cheat on your wife.
Hmm.. Do they ration water in the pacific north west? Oregon? or New England states? or Florida? actually, even in socal, we haven't rationed water in over a decade. I see green lawns everywhere, I know its harder to come by in LV. And the smog comment, comming from CA...haha! I though that was funny.. the smog just happens to migrate 200 miles from LA to LV, and then it just magically picks the spot over LV in all to hover over and pollute..

this is from Wikipedia about Las Vegas Air quality:
Being located in a desert valley creates issues with air quality. From the dust the wind picks up from disturbed desert, to the smog produced by vehicles to the pollen in the air, the valley can have some bad air days.

Pollen can be a major issue several weeks a year with counts occasionally in the 70,000 plus range. Local governments are trying to control this by banning plants that produce the most pollen.

The dust problems usually happen on very windy days, so they tend to be seasonal and of a short duration.

Smog on the other hand gets worst when there is no wind to move the air out of the valley. Also in winter it is possible to get an inversion in the valley air that actually traps any smog in the valley.

The county is working to control these problems and has shown some success over the years. The constant tightening of Federal requirements for allowable particles in the air, make the task of meeting air quality standards difficult.



......... the smog here has nothing to do with socal!

also, consider this review found on THIS website to give you a heads up on crime in LV.. Posted by kittykatlover18

is las vegas crime really that bad?
I moved to las vegas in october this year, so i have only been here a few months, so far i do feel that there is a lot of crime here, from what i see on the news and see on the streets. i live in north east las vegas near las vegas blvd. and i am starting to think it might have been a big mistake to move here becasue from what i have heard this is one of the worst neighborhoods. i see the bums on the street and the graffiti, the ganster looking guys with tinted windows in their cars, it isnt all new to me becasue i am from san diego county, ca. but is it really dangerous to be living here? i am 7 months pregnant, my husband and i moved here thinking it would be nice for a change and to be able to get an bigger place to live for a cheaper price, but now i just dont know if this is the kind of place i even want to have an infant living in. last week my moped worth $2000 was stolen from my driveway, it was locked up to a post and they cut the lock. now this week 5 peoples cars in my trailer park have been broken into, i am getting really worried and want to know if i just moved to the middle of the worst part of vegas or something along thoes lines. please give me some feedack and advise.
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Old 03-22-2007, 10:28 PM
 
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Toolshed, you are another misinformed person regarding Vegas. I will say this again, as ive said a million times.. Las Vegas is not the strip and the strip is not Las Vegas.
All those ads for sin, sex, etc is for The Strip people! For the tourists! The residents of Las Vegas do not live on The Strip! We live in neighborhoods just like anywhere else in the U S of A.
There. Geez, i feel like i'm talking to a pair of rocks, they'll never get it.
Olecapt, you may as well give it up. They just want to argue because they are always right and we of course will always be wrong. lol But we know better.
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Old 03-22-2007, 10:33 PM
 
Location: Somewhere.
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also, consider this review found on THIS website to give you a heads up on crime in LV.. Posted by kittykatlover18

is las vegas crime really that bad?
I moved to las vegas in october this year, so i have only been here a few months, so far i do feel that there is a lot of crime here, from what i see on the news and see on the streets. i live in north east las vegas near las vegas blvd. and i am starting to think it might have been a big mistake to move here becasue from what i have heard this is one of the worst neighborhoods. i see the bums on the street and the graffiti, the ganster looking guys with tinted windows in their cars, it isnt all new to me becasue i am from san diego county, ca. but is it really dangerous to be living here? i am 7 months pregnant, my husband and i moved here thinking it would be nice for a change and to be able to get an bigger place to live for a cheaper price, but now i just dont know if this is the kind of place i even want to have an infant living in. last week my moped worth $2000 was stolen from my driveway, it was locked up to a post and they cut the lock. now this week 5 peoples cars in my trailer park have been broken into, i am getting really worried and want to know if i just moved to the middle of the worst part of vegas or something along thoes lines. please give me some feedack and advise.
LOL, give us a better example. That happens to be a crime ridden area, and it is just one area, not the whole of Vegas. Get your facts straight before you post erroneous information. If my area were anything like that area, i would have been long gone about 11 years ago.
Geez, why am i explaining this to you. I'm talking to a rock.
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Old 03-22-2007, 10:43 PM
 
Location: Temecula
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I just found out that Vegas is 2nd in the top 10 fattest cities in the US, another proud accolade!

THE TOP 10 FATTEST CITIES:

2006's 10 Fattest Cities are (with their 2005 ranking in parenthesis):

1. Chicago (5)
2. Las Vegas (9)
3. Los Angeles (21 fittest)
4. Dallas (6)
5. Houston (1)
6. Memphis, Tenn. (4)
7. Long Beach, Calif. (20)
8. El Paso, Texas (11)
9. Kansas City, Mo. (18)
10. Mesa, Ariz. (15)
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