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Old 03-02-2009, 10:20 AM
 
Location: In the heights
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I understand this forum is mostly for those who live in Vegas--that is to say, not me. However, I'm curious as to what you Las Vegans(?) think about the shift from the spate of kitschy themed hotels and casinos, especially throughout the 90s, to the more recent ones whose themes were vague adjectives like modern or luxurious.

I personally find the kitsch to be far more appealing--it really made Vegas a joy for me to visit even when I was too young for the other delights the city had to offer. The Luxor was just the most amazing thing I'd ever seen, and I remember constantly looking for it out in the horizon. When New York-New York came around, I remember looking up all the information I could about NYC itself just so I can understand all the references the place would be making--it was a fantastic faux cosmopolitan feeling that made Vegas, as a place and a concept, very exciting.

Nowadays, I go into Vegas and I see something like the Wynn, and I just wonder what the point is. It seems like it could be a resort in any city, and as it turns out, there are plenty of cities that are getting the Wynn. There's no surface to grab on to.
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Old 03-02-2009, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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You bring up an issue that is complicated.

I'm sure many Las Vegans as well as non Las Vegans would agree with your assessment.

The gaming industry here has gradually moved towards perceived luxury. No doubt, middle Americans will think its less luxurious to pay more for rooms, more for meals, well, more for everything. The thing you might want to keep in mind is that the executives who moved Las Vegas in this direction are the same class of geniuses who have driven the rest of our economy into the toilet. Greed rules. Just as they thought anyone who was breathing could finance a house hundreds of thousands above their heads/income level, they also thought you can charge triple for everyhting in Las Vegas and middle America would keep supporting it. Thus, they built what 'they' perceived as luxury accomodations befitting the higher rates for everything they were charging.

Some of us locals will agree with you. Old Las Vegas was better. The new Las Vegas with $7 beers, $500 for a Better Miller show for 2, very few low limit tables, the lack of ability to find a cocktail waitress on most floors, the lack of ability to find reasonable room rates for a quick getaway, etc. etc. is not a good or desirable deal for most people.

You are wondering out loud what many of us have thought to ourselves. Sadly, there's not a lot we can do about it. I guess we just add Las Vegas to that long list of things that have changed in America and wait for the economy or lack of spending to adjust the attitudes of those who are making reckless decisions. It will happen. Common sense will prevail. The transition from Greed to Common Sense is painful to watch and never happens quickly enough.

Deals are beginning to reappear. So, please come visit and Welcome.
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Old 03-02-2009, 12:30 PM
 
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I think a mix of both is good. That being said I hope a new themed casino is on the drawing board for Vegas.
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:04 PM
 
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I wonder if there is not some forum or medium that we could use to bombard the marketing guru's to let them know millions of people would be happy to see the old Las Vegas come back?
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Old 03-02-2009, 03:00 PM
 
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Disneyland/Disney World do the "theme" thing better than a casino ever has...
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Old 03-02-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Beautiful Upstate NY!
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In the 90's, LV was being marketed as a "Family" destination, and hence the cute themes to go along with that campaign. Once LV cycled through all the possible income from that demographic, it was time to reintroduce LV as an adult place to play...and hence the 'what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas' campaign. So now, as it tries to capture the "sophisticated" generations X & Y, they switched to trendy, sophiticated and modern. I still say the market that supports LV best is the baby-boomers (now heading to "senior" category)...they are the ones with any money left to spend (if they played their cards right )

Sadly, today...LV's themes are bankruptcy and foreclosure.
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Old 03-03-2009, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Okay, i haven't been to Vegas in years but we are moving there this spring sometime. Just from the pictures I've seen I can tell that a lot has changed. What I miss is the really old Vegas. The Sahara (which is still there but way different), the Sands, the Stardust, the Thunderbird. when I was a kid my parents and us kids would go over to Vegas a couple of times a year. This was in the 50's - 60's and even though I was young I remember having a great time there. We always stayed at the Sahara and we'd go to the Congo room to see Buddy Hackett and Shelly Berman, (it was the early show, no swearing, sort of). Don Rickles was in the lounge (we kids weren't allowed in there) but we could see him from the entrance. We used to go down to an Italian restaurant on the Strip called Musso's. It hasn't been there for years I don't think. We'd go downtown to the Mint, the Fremont, The Four Queens, The Golden Horseshoe. That was before the Plaza and now I see they have it all enclosed with laser light shows. Ahhh, the good old days!
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Old 03-03-2009, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Upstate NY!
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I've said it before...the future of Las Vegas is in its past.
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:23 AM
 
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Disneyland/Disney World do the "theme" thing better than a casino ever has...

See, I think the themed casinos of the past were (in many cases) brilliantly executed. You know, The Luxor, NYNY, Venetian, Excalibur, Bellagio, Treasure Island (and further back - Caesar's Place, Circus Circus etc) are superb - I remember the first time I stepped into the atrium at The Luxor and it took your breath away. It really did. They were 'fun' - they made you giggle at the sheer chutzpah.

Then we had The Wynn, and the non-casino hotels too. I mean, what idiot thought that a non casino hotel could exist in Vegas?! If I just wanted to stay in a hotel, I'd go to LA!! The reason for Vegas is gambling - and the dunderhead executives can scream as much as they want, that's what makes Vegas different. And different means memorable. The Wynn, as pleasant as I'm sure it is, isn't a place you're going to remember - it looks like an office block. A very swank office block, I grant you, but an office block, nonetheless.

As jfkIII says, and I've echoed it too, Las Vegas will get back mon an even keel when:
a) the economy improves, and
b) it becomes a real value destination again.

It will happen.
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:51 AM
 
Location: South San Francisco
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Dont hold your Breath for themes. Vegas 3.0 is on the way in With City Center and Fountain Blue.
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