[lvkewlkid]

the whole section on the east side should be yellow instead of orange, i spend a lot of time in the area, even at night, and i never see or hear stuff happening and always feel safe, the apartments probably give it a bad rap

also 89121 should be yellow or even green, that is the best zip code in all of Vegas in terms of conveniences, restaurants, and shopping, the houses are just beautiful there, but the apartments give it a bad rap

89014 and 89015 should definitely be moved to orange, especially 89015

it is very difficult to do a map like this because the zip codes are too large in one area and too condensed in another area, 89014 has a nice part to the west but the east part of it especially along 95 and Sunset is not so great...89142 is very nice along Hollywood or Tree Line, but it has a couple bad streets, as with 89110 which is safe for the most part, but has lousy apartments and a few bad streets as well as maybe having a few issues with juvenile hall being across the street from its boundary, say the ppl going to court or checking with probation cross the street and do something, it then has the potential of throwing off 89110's crime index

it would take a lot of work to use different boundaries other than zip codes, but that would make it a lot more accurate...

[Buzz123]

I think people who tend to commit most of the crime, whether they do it their own neighborhoods, or they go to rich neighborhoods where they can steal something more worthwhile, are generally low income, and poorly educated. I wouldn't want to argue the social reasoning behind it, but everybody's gotta eat, so if they can't or won't work, they'll sometimes steal. Doesn't have anything to do with race or nationality except that certain groups tend to be low income and undereducated in every city. But it generally, not always, has a lot to do with learned behavior, and economic circumstances.

Either (usually low income) blacks and Hispanics are right, and they get blamed for what they don't do by white cops, or they do those things and don't own up to it; whatever it is I've heard there are more of them per capita in the jails. But the only way to ever solve any problem is to be able to talk about it. Communication brings understanding. Understanding is the universal solvent; it solves all problems sooner or later. But before we can communicate with anything we have to have the ability to confront it. Sweeping racial problems under the rug only insures that you will never solve racial problems. To use another cliche, it's the elephant in the room.

I'm obviously white (as far as I know), and come from smart parents who had little education. But my parents were proud people with high moral values, and that's what my sisters and I were taught. My dad had a 6th grade education but was the smartest man I ever knew...read all the time...never understood why I wanted to go to college; and my mom quit school at age 16 to go to work to help her hard working father support his large family. My father was injured a couple of weeks before I was born and spent most of his remaining years in a wheelchair. My mom supported him and three kids on less than $2.00 an hour working in a glass factory. Divorce was never an option. Doing anything illegal, immoral, or in bad taste was never an option. Missing Sunday school was rarely an option.

Mom wasn't formally educated, but she had class, and taught me etiquette, things like how to hold a fork, how to behave in public, and to try to stay clean (which never worked). Charity was sometimes received from friends and neighbors, but mostly only accepted so as to not embarrass the giver. It was never expected as an "entitlement". My mom worked at the factory, did all the cooking and cleaning (I was an ungrateful, spoiled little devil who hated to help out around the house...like all kids), and she generally worked all the time, never had money for herself, but managed to be the most beautiful woman in the neighborhood. She didn't think anybody was entitled to anything they didn't earn. She did the laundry for five people, on her knees, bent over a scrub board in the bath tub, until I was 13 and she got a wringer/washer. You could eat off her floors that she kept shiny with Johnson's floor wax. The house (home) in anyone else's hands would have been nothing more than a tiny, uninsulated, asbestos siding covered, shack. She was a 5 feet tall package of dynamite, and you did not want to cross her. My big sisters and I stayed out of trouble more for fear of our parents than the law. Until I grew up and got my own home, I despised cutting grass and keeping a garden. Now I appreciate the work ethic I was taught by my mom when she made me do those things.

What I'm taking a long time to say is crime happens more often to, and by, low income, poorly educated people. Over time, such people may learn not to care much about right from wrong, if they fall into the trap of thinking their problems are caused by others, and that they are somehow "entitled" to other people's earnings. That idea is most often put in their heads by politicians, and it probably started with "Reconstruction" which was corrupted by politicians and carpetbaggers. Low income people usually end up living in older areas of town because old homes are cheaper than new home, so the older areas of Las Vegas are most dangerous. But zip code information doesn't really tell the story. If somebody had the time to make the effort, I suppose they could go street by street and create a map of the most dangerous areas which would be more accurate. Best way right now when looking for a place to live is to look at pride of ownership in neighborhoods, and keep in mind that for whatever reason, Las Vegas neighborhoods, that don't have HOA's, tend to age and look run down more quickly than what I've seen in other cities. Once the homes get rundown, those who would commit crimes tend to move in.

That said, our "ghettos" are much nicer than many "good" neighborhoods in many other cities.

[photobuff42]

I would say look where the graffiti is. Is there a graffiti map? I hate graffiti!!

[BUGBULLY]

Originally Posted by Buzz123

I think people who tend to commit most of the crime, whether they do it their own neighborhoods, or they go to rich neighborhoods where they can steal something more worthwhile, are generally low income, and poorly educated. I wouldn't want to argue the social reasoning behind it, but everybody's gotta eat, so if they can't or won't work, they'll sometimes steal. Doesn't have anything to do with race or nationality except that certain groups tend to be low income and undereducated in every city. But it generally, not always, has a lot to do with learned behavior, and economic circumstances.

Either (usually low income) blacks and Hispanics are right, and they get blamed for what they don't do by white cops, or they do those things and don't own up to it; whatever it is I've heard there are more of them per capita in the jails. But the only way to ever solve any problem is to be able to talk about it. Communication brings understanding. Understanding is the universal solvent; it solves all problems sooner or later. But before we can communicate with anything we have to have the ability to confront it. Sweeping racial problems under the rug only insures that you will never solve racial problems. To use another cliche, it's the elephant in the room.

I'm obviously white (as far as I know), and come from smart parents who had little education. But my parents were proud people with high moral values, and that's what my sisters and I were taught. My dad had a 6th grade education but was the smartest man I ever knew...read all the time...never understood why I wanted to go to college; and my mom quit school at age 16 to go to work to help her hard working father support his large family. My father was injured a couple of weeks before I was born and spent most of his remaining years in a wheelchair. My mom supported him and three kids on less than $2.00 an hour working in a glass factory. Divorce was never an option. Doing anything illegal, immoral, or in bad taste was never an option. Missing Sunday school was rarely an option.

Mom wasn't formally educated, but she had class, and taught me etiquette, things like how to hold a fork, how to behave in public, and to try to stay clean (which never worked). Charity was sometimes received from friends and neighbors, but mostly only accepted so as to not embarrass the giver. It was never expected as an "entitlement". My mom worked at the factory, did all the cooking and cleaning (I was an ungrateful, spoiled little devil who hated to help out around the house...like all kids), and she generally worked all the time, never had money for herself, but managed to be the most beautiful woman in the neighborhood. She didn't think anybody was entitled to anything they didn't earn. She did the laundry for five people, on her knees, bent over a scrub board in the bath tub, until I was 13 and she got a wringer/washer. You could eat off her floors that she kept shiny with Johnson's floor wax. The house (home) in anyone else's hands would have been nothing more than a tiny, uninsulated, asbestos siding covered, shack. She was a 5 feet tall package of dynamite, and you did not want to cross her. My big sisters and I stayed out of trouble more for fear of our parents than the law. Until I grew up and got my own home, I despised cutting grass and keeping a garden. Now I appreciate the work ethic I was taught by my mom when she made me do those things.

What I'm taking a long time to say is crime happens more often to, and by, low income, poorly educated people. Over time, such people may learn not to care much about right from wrong, if they fall into the trap of thinking their problems are caused by others, and that they are somehow "entitled" to other people's earnings. That idea is most often put in their heads by politicians, and it probably started with "Reconstruction" which was corrupted by politicians and carpetbaggers. Low income people usually end up living in older areas of town because old homes are cheaper than new home, so the older areas of Las Vegas are most dangerous. But zip code information doesn't really tell the story. If somebody had the time to make the effort, I suppose they could go street by street and create a map of the most dangerous areas which would be more accurate. Best way right now when looking for a place to live is to look at pride of ownership in neighborhoods, and keep in mind that for whatever reason, Las Vegas neighborhoods, that don't have HOA's, tend to age and look run down more quickly than what I've seen in other cities. Once the homes get rundown, those who would commit crimes tend to move in.

That said, our "ghettos" are much nicer than many "good" neighborhoods in many other cities.

What a Great Post!

[nwlv]

....and avoid Section 8, like the Plague.

[olecapt]

To a large degree the map is quite workable as it is. What it actually does is point out the higher socioeconomic class zip codes. You don't have to belong...all zip codes have a range....but it tells you where it is likely nice to live.

For a newby that is just fine. You really can't optimize to the perfect block in the perfect neighborhood. You have a limited time generally to pick out a place to stay. Even if you rent a place and spend six months running around looking for a permaneit address you will generally narrow it down to a few areas relatively quickly. Your mind simply can't sort the whole city.

Now if you have a strong urban urge as does the kid...or love mid century modern...different story.

But the classical new comer is well served by the map.

I could probably do a map of metro much more fine grained. But I am not sure it is a good idea. The existing map points one in the right direction...and unless you have over-riding reasons or local knowledge it is a pretty good start.

I do think however I will develop a more nuanced version and provide the numbers behind the chart.

Note though this is a classical sausage making exercise. You may not want to see exactly how it is done.

[VegasResident]

Hey, wasnt it in the alphabet streets where a utility repair guy was shot in middle of the day as a robbery? He was wearing his uniform and everything. I would call that a not safe area

[lvkewlkid]

Originally Posted by VegasResident

Hey, wasnt it in the alphabet streets where a utility repair guy was shot in middle of the day as a robbery? He was wearing his uniform and everything. I would call that a not safe area

nobody is doubting West Las Vegas...

[chris702]

yea thats not a good area of town...i get the feeling you dont live in northtown

[chris702]

Originally Posted by PinkString

89084 is Aliante, 89085 is supposed to be Park Highlands, but not sure if it's still being constructed.
89084 should be more green than yellow.

i live at ann and simmons...2 blocks from aliante...its not the best neighborhood ever...yellow definitely fits aliante...it isnt summerlin...and the other post above this was about losee and 215 area