White House to halt deportation of young illegal immigrants (Mexican, applying, money)

[cpg35223]

Originally Posted by Collective

Nah, the law is not the reason. Just look at the data, choose other states to plot alongside AL, and they all have basically the same pattern. The great forces of economics are way stronger than immigration laws.

Unemployment in the U.S. - Google Public Data Explorer

Not really. Next to Michigan, Alabama's had the steepest unemployment drop in the country. So much for your theory.

[PacificFlights]

THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
if you disagree with the decission of the President, or can only focus on the illgal immigration portion of this discussion, PLEASE take those comments to the illegal immigration forum under POC where you can discuss this all day.

Now, the majority of those who will benefit are in essence more amaerican than tney are foreign. When you look at it carefully, we're not talking about those who illegally came to the USA, its really about those who were brought to the USA illegally, but have grown up as americans. Truthfully, I bet the majority of those who oppose this probably would be right next to one of the beneficaries and have absolutely no idea they would be considered illegal because they would be employed high school or college graduates, speak better english than many rednecks from the south, and some have wore the uniform of the US militray in denense of this country.

we're not talking illegals crossing the broder to take americans jobs, we are talking people by circumstances beyond their control or knowledge, who lack the legal papers but whom we should be prooud to have as americans! One of my co-workes commented that the reason he thinks many people are against allowing them to remain is because they put us to shame in their ability to acheive the amaerican dream.

[Threestep]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

Oh, I have dealt a lot with the homeless. But there are plenty in this economy to whom that kind of pay would be a great deal of incentive. What's more, when Alabama began cracking down on illegals, guess what happened? The unemployment rate, which had been above the national rate as of last September, has plunged by around 22% over the past year, at a far faster clip than the national average. So now state unemployment is a good percentage point below the national average. And Birmingham's unemployment rate has dropped by a third down to 5.9%. And one contractor with organization issues does not begin to shed light on this debate.

Let's not get into a spitting fight. I do know my way around Lorna Road and downtown. What I have to say better stay unsaid:>)

[9162]

Originally Posted by PacificFlights

THIS IS FOR DISCUSSION OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION.
if you disagree with the decission of the President, or can only focus on the illgal immigration portion of this discussion, PLEASE take those comments to the illegal immigration forum under POC where you can discuss this all day.

Now, the majority of those who will benefit are in essence more amaerican than tney are foreign. When you look at it carefully, we're not talking about those who illegally came to the USA, its really about those who were brought to the USA illegally, but have grown up as americans. Truthfully, I bet the majority of those who oppose this probably would be right next to one of the beneficaries and have absolutely no idea they would be considered illegal because they would be employed high school or college graduates, speak better english than many rednecks from the south, and some have wore the uniform of the US militray in denense of this country.

we're not talking illegals crossing the broder to take americans jobs, we are talking people by circumstances beyond their control or knowledge, who lack the legal papers but whom we should be prooud to have as americans! One of my co-workes commented that the reason he thinks many people are against allowing them to remain is because they put us to shame in their ability to acheive the amaerican dream.

This is about illegal immigration. These people are not here LEGALLY. Why do people seem to believe illegals should always be given special treatment? These people exacerbate on already bad economy, taking jobs from LEGAL citizens. This issue is directly related to illegal immigration. People trying to find ways around our legal system (which is already very liberal when it comes to immgration), to not adhere to the law, is NOT legal, and should not be condoned. These people are taking American jobs. These people directly affect the budget for our school system, over burdening the tax payer. Tuition costs have gone up considerably as well, as well due to a high influx of students. Our economy is more connected with immigration, illegal and otherwise than any other issue in this country. According to you, we should allow anyone who want to come here, who does not break the law, and is a good person to be an American. If this was the case 80% of the world population would be living here.

[movingwiththewind]

Originally Posted by jambo101

You got your opinion and i got mine.. those 800,000 are already here and you'd put them all on a bus for Mexico tomorrow?, how compassionate of you,As for your concern for the American middleclass worker i think your indignation is misplaced why not direct it where it duly belongs at all those companies that sold out America and sent all the jobs elsewhere,.

And how Canada, your beloved country where you live and which you praise so much would treat those people, you think? It's a well-known fact that Canada has much stricter immigration laws and enforcement.

Don't take it too personal, but it's just strange to see you on American forum talking about compassion while at the same time using every opportunity to bash the US and talk about how much Canada is better on Canadian forums. In Canada, those people would never stand a chance.

Talking about compassion on American forum and than posting on Canadian forum how much better Canada is than the US because "we don't have all those problems the States have", like illegal immigrants and so on. And when Americans raise voices about the need of enforcing immigration laws, you're right here talking about compassion. Yeah, right!

[Collective]

Originally Posted by cpg35223

Not really. Next to Michigan, Alabama's had the steepest unemployment drop in the country. So much for your theory.

Steepest among many steep drops, not by much. All the others don't have such a law. But you say it proves causality? "So much for your theory"

[nightnurse613]

As a side note to PacificFlights: I believe that immigrants who serve in the US Military do have an expedited pathway to US Citizenship so don't include those in your analysis of who the new policy applies to.

[DFWgal]

Originally Posted by Threestep

H1B is not an immigration visa. It is a temporary arrangement unless the employer offers sponsorship. Generally the employee is well educated and informed about his/hers and the respective partner's legal status.

H1B is a dual intent visa, and I don't know why would this change anything. The situation remains the same: illegal aliens getting work permits before legal immigrants and a disrespect for American laws.

[Threestep]

Originally Posted by DFWgal

H1B is a dual intent visa, and I don't know why would this change anything. The situation remains the same: illegal aliens getting work permits before legal immigrants and a disrespect for American laws.

In my book there is a difference between a child being brought by family and an adult crossing the border with the intent to disregard the law.
I have a friend who came to the US at the age of 2 (two), honor student, BS, MA Nursing, was asked to accept a scholarship to med school. She is not very fond of Europe to say the least. Where did she disrespect American laws? BTW - US law applies in the USA.

[Threestep]

Originally Posted by nightnurse613

As a side note to PacificFlights: I believe that immigrants who serve in the US Military do have an expedited pathway to US Citizenship so don't include those in your analysis of who the new policy applies to.

Green Card allows enlistement into the ranks. In theorie citizenship can be granted within 24 hours. There was a tiny pilot project for qualified medical staff on doctor level and linguists in in-demand languages.