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Old 06-15-2012, 12:34 PM
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White House to halt deportation of young illegal immigrants


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Old 06-15-2012, 01:02 PM
 
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poor rubio
 
Old 06-15-2012, 01:35 PM
 
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Good. It's about time. Deporting these people who have done no wrong is nothing short of barbaric.
 
Old 06-16-2012, 11:42 AM
 
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I think that is great as well!
 
Old 06-16-2012, 01:27 PM
 
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I'm of mixed opinion. This is the right and humane thing to do, but I'm not sure if it is what is best for the country. An American GED is pretty much worthless in the global economy, so the benefit of this labor pool to the USA is probably small-to-nil. If the majority of these immigrant children go on to college or to be productively employed--and they probably will--then I suppose it's better than the cost and effort to deport them.

Still, I would've liked to see stricter requirements; a minimum GPA at least, acceptance to college or the permit being predicated on the ability to hold down a job which allows them to remain above the poverty line. Making enough money to pay $XXXX in taxes each year. Something like that. Maybe it could be folded into the final DREAM legislation.

Of course, better legislation would be anything which encourages highly-educated immigrants (like raising the H1b cap, or automatic green cards for college grads in a technical field with a minimum 3.5 gpa) so we can brain-drain our competitors. But that's a slightly different subject.

I predict this will be very bad for Obama. Public opinion among conservatives, independents, and even some democrats runs strongly against illegal immigrants and he won't make up for losses among independents with an increased Hispanic voter turnout. He continues to govern like he will only be a 1-term president, doing what he believes is right for America, even during campaign season. I respect and admire that, but I doubt the general public will.
 
Old 06-16-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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The rule of law is more important than granting work visas to people that are here illegally. One of the biggest attractions to the rest of the world is the USA's reputation for respect of the rule of law. Obama is just using these illegals to gain a few votes and it's disgusting.
 
Old 06-18-2012, 05:48 AM
 
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The rule of law is more important than granting work visas to people that are here illegally. One of the biggest attractions to the rest of the world is the USA's reputation for respect of the rule of law. Obama is just using these illegals to gain a few votes and it's disgusting.
You think a child or young adult who may have been born in the USA or spent most of his life here should be deported because his parents were illegal immigrants? Sounds a bit harsh to me.
Good thing the Indians way back when didnt get into this rule of law stuff, if they had i wonder how many American residents today would qualify for deportation..
And as said before its illegal for any non American citizen to vote so i dont think the President had buying the votes of illegals in mind when he passed the legislation..

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Old 06-18-2012, 07:30 AM
 
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And after the two years of the work permit are up?
 
Old 06-18-2012, 08:23 AM
 
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I'm just curious if there are other benefits to this "legal" status. Will this allow them to qualify for "in-state" tuition benefits? how about free medical care? food stamps?. It doesn't seem that this is much different from the granting of regular (TEMPORARY) student visas for foreign students (except they have to actually "qualify") and I would presume the associated fees would be substantially less. I have heard that applying will not implicate the rest of your family but, what if the rest of your family is "caught"? While I understand we have an immigration policy (although we seem to have some difficulty enforcing it); eventually these issues will need to be addressed and this certainly brought the debate to the surface! I doubt that Mexico or El Salvador would look favorably on me extending my stay in their country illegally?
 
Old 06-18-2012, 09:24 AM
 
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Good. It's about time. Deporting these people who have done no wrong is nothing short of barbaric.
Their very presence in the country is illegal, whether they come from Mexico, Guatemala, India, Ireland, or Sweden. They have violated our immigration laws and so they should be shown the border. The very fact that Obama is not enforcing the law is unconstitutional.
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