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Old 07-28-2013, 11:45 AM
 
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For others who are not as fortunate to be able to migrate? I am not saying there is an obligation to build their country but it seems that they are not commited to their country. Why is this?
ask the ones who came on Mayflower.
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:52 AM
 
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Besides, An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.1 When applied to the 2004 U.S. Census residential population estimate for ages 18 and older, this figure translates to 57.7 million people.2 Even though mental disorders are widespread in the population, the main burden of illness is concentrated in a much smaller proportion — about 6 percent, or 1 in 17 — who suffer from a serious mental illness.1 In addition, mental disorders are the leading cause of disability in the U.S. and Canada.3

There is something about American air or water or... This country swallows the best backs and minds of the world and a few generation later ... it's something else, far from the originals.

well, if you judge by DSM-V ( proposed) it would be close to 50% af Americans having mental disorder... caffeine withdrawal is a mental disorder, too. According to proposed DSM-V.

The figure is unreliable. There is too much politics in defining what is and what is not a mental disorder. And disorder is not an illness.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:15 PM
 
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ask the ones who came on Mayflower.
They're all dead now and what has that to do with those of us alive today and our expectations "today"? For instance expecting immigrants to come here legally?
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:17 PM
 
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No, they were not.

Not only is there arcalogical evidence to the contrary, but almost every culture has stories of "the people who came before"

As a species we are always moving, and no one people have been in any one spot "forever".


And many immigrants nowadays ARE too tied to their country of origin, and remain first dedicated to it. This has been our downfall. 100 years ago WHEN immigrants WERE helping to build the country (Irish building the railroad for example) they sought to integrate, or at minimum become mixed into the "gumbo of America"

Now... Moslems create entire enclaves/towns that are 'just like back home'
Not only Muslims but Asians, Mexicans, etc.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:36 PM
 
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They're all dead now and what has that to do with those of us alive today and our expectations "today"? For instance expecting immigrants to come here legally?
as I understand those are the ones being discussed about - legal.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:34 PM
 
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as I understand those are the ones being discussed about - legal.
I understand that but why mention those who came over on the Mayflower? They are all dead now. Are we supposed to speak for them and why they did what they did? They aren't us and we aren't them. This country was a wide open frontier then also. Not so today. Unless one comes here as a refugee because their lives are in danger IMO most foreigners should stay in their own countries and seek changes to fix them. We are full up here and are short on jobs and resources for own citizens. We certainly don't need any low waged, uneducated and unskilled foreigners migrating here who will end up being a burden to our country.
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Old 07-28-2013, 01:47 PM
 
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I understand that but why mention those who came over on the Mayflower?
because the OP question is stupid. This was the illustration to it's stupidity
This an immigrant country.
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Old 07-28-2013, 03:00 PM
 
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because the OP question is stupid. This was the illustration to it's stupidity
This an immigrant country.
Every country allows immigration so why wouldn't that make them an immigrant country also then? We are a nation of Americans today not a nation of immigrants. Our citizen population way out numbers any immigrant one. Sick of the stupid cliché here in 2013 that we are a nation of immigrants. No we aren't any more! When do we get to shed that stupid label and just be ourselves....a nation of Americans? Just because we still allow immigrants to come here today just like other countries do does not make us a nation of immigrants.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:01 PM
 
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Every country allows immigration so why wouldn't that make them an immigrant country also then? We are a nation of Americans today not a nation of immigrants. Our citizen population way out numbers any immigrant one. Sick of the stupid cliché here in 2013 that we are a nation of immigrants. No we aren't any more! When do we get to shed that stupid label and just be ourselves....a nation of Americans? Just because we still allow immigrants to come here today just like other countries do does not make us a nation of immigrants.
every country was not built as an immigrant country.
This was.

we are a nation of immigrants and will always be, no matter what generation you are.
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Old 07-28-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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...Unless one comes here as a refugee because their lives are in danger IMO most foreigners should stay in their own countries and seek changes to fix them. We are full up here and are short on jobs and resources for own citizens. We certainly don't need any low waged, uneducated and unskilled foreigners migrating here who will end up being a burden to our country.
Not that you have anything against legal immigration of course. That is the forum area you are in. The opinion you offer changes by the discussion. You say you want more "ethnic diversity" (less Hispanics) in immigrants, but now say you want most of them to stay home.

Which is it?...
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