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Old 05-20-2013, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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with the US economy still lagging behind from the recession, and the boomers probably not retiring but maybe even work longer, will that have an impact on the number of visas that relate to the amount of boomers retiring?
Well you do need more workers paying Social Security and Medicare taxes to pay for their care.
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Old 05-26-2013, 02:06 PM
 
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I'm kinda curious about the reasoning behind #3. Are really companies with over 5000 (!) employees a first choice for illegals when it comes to work? I would suppose, entirely based on anecdotal experience, that smaller operations hiring day workers, or people hiring maids and handymen, would be a more obvious focal point. On the other hand I guess that would mean that some government worker needed to get out of the chair and go look outside their office Here in Norway, the equivalent of the OSHA loves collaborating with local police in order to sweep construction sites, car repair workshops, and "restaurants" for illegal workers. They regularly catch a number of people living in squalor, receiving next to no pay, and who never saw the first page of a work permit application.

Personally, I would like a points-based system instead of today's system of "who do you know." It would be more fair for everyone, transparent, and if you don't have enough points it would be at least theoretically possible to increase your score.
Walmart is certainly a large corporation that has been caught a few times doing that -- but not much at all is being done about it -- it continues.

Walmart is known to have janitors who can't afford to rent an apartment and so sleep in some back room of the store.

It's very common now for companies to "outsource" many jobs and hire contract labor -- so technically the contracting companies actually hire the illegals but Walmart and the many others pay for the janitorial services and pretend they don't know that's how they're employing illegals.

Housing construction is very much like that -- everything is contracted out -- the plumbing contractor of course will only hire the very cheapest illegals, pay them under the table, no taxes taken out -- no workman's comp. Same for the dry wall installers, the painters, the roofers, the landscapers -- all 100% here illegally. The builder himself will feign innocence -- how were they supposed to know when they contracted out the jobs that they were all going to be illegals?

Contract labor technically is supposed to pay into social security and income taxes on their own -- the employer who hires contractors isn't required to pay taxes on contract labor.

It's a win-win for these crooks and illegals -- the employer gets dirt cheap labor and doesn't have to pay into social security taxes, or workman's comp, doesn't have to pay overtime wages, has no labor overhead. The illegals also don't have to pay social security taxes or into income tax. All that untaxed income can be sent home in remittances --- illegals often have $800 or more a month that they send home. Health care for illegals is free -- they aren't having to bother with health insurance premiums either.
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Old 05-26-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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Walmart is certainly a large corporation that has been caught a few times doing that -- but not much at all is being done about it -- it continues.

Walmart is known to have janitors who can't afford to rent an apartment and so sleep in some back room of the store.

It's very common now for companies to "outsource" many jobs and hire contract labor -- so technically the contracting companies actually hire the illegals but Walmart and the many others pay for the janitorial services and pretend they don't know that's how they're employing illegals.

Housing construction is very much like that -- everything is contracted out -- the plumbing contractor of course will only hire the very cheapest illegals, pay them under the table, no taxes taken out -- no workman's comp. Same for the dry wall installers, the painters, the roofers, the landscapers -- all 100% here illegally. The builder himself will feign innocence -- how were they supposed to know when they contracted out the jobs that they were all going to be illegals?

Contract labor technically is supposed to pay into social security and income taxes on their own -- the employer who hires contractors isn't required to pay taxes on contract labor.

It's a win-win for these crooks and illegals -- the employer gets dirt cheap labor and doesn't have to pay into social security taxes, or workman's comp, doesn't have to pay overtime wages, has no labor overhead. The illegals also don't have to pay social security taxes or into income tax. All that untaxed income can be sent home in remittances --- illegals often have $800 or more a month that they send home. Health care for illegals is free -- they aren't having to bother with health insurance premiums either.

how is it possible and where do you see it happen?
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Old 05-28-2013, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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how is it possible and where do you see it happen?
It is free in the ER... well not free, but if they don't pay, then the taxpayer picks up the cost. Under the reform they would be subject to: pay taxes, have insurance from 2014 -or pay the penalty-. Definitely a better scenario than current one. But oh well...
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Old 05-29-2013, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Norway
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The builder himself will feign innocence -- how were they supposed to know when they contracted out the jobs that they were all going to be illegals?
I see - what you describe is very serious and if it's as widespread as you suggest would bring a system like Social Security crashing down over the course of a few years if left unchecked. That's why the equivalent of the IRS here is also keen on catching black market contractors and illegal workers, we need those tax monies to fund a welfare state like you would not believe. When they or the workplace safety office make a bust, the people who hired the illegals are fined, and usually required to give the workers back pay at the regular going rate for skilled or unskilled labour, including taxes and whatnot. The owner of whatever is being constructed can certainly be held responsible if they didn't do their homework.

One reason they are pretty effective at it are strong trade guilds, who don't like to see their pay going down. It's really hard to build anything bigger than an outhouse without having someone notice and place a phone call or two.
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