We need more immigration from Asia

[ocexpo]

Originally Posted by apoptosis2003

The U.S. is still growing slowly because of slow immigration. Had there been no immigration, the U.S. will go downhill:

2/3 of science and Ph.D. students are Asian. In particular, 2/3 of maths Ph.D. students are Chinese. If Americans don't want Asian immigrants, could they please watch less TV and study more science? I was a high school exchange student in the U.S. for a year and I was appalled by their quality of education. In China you need to know the American equivalent of Calculus 3 and University Physics to get into college. When in college, the first maths class is often not calculus but linear algebra. Chinese students study from 7 a.m. to 12 a.m. or 1 a.m. everyday from grade 6 until whenever they finish their education; the kids in my American host family spend only 1-2 hours a day on homework, then they go to church or hang out or watch movies or whatever. They showed me their textbooks - be they science, literature, or history - and I thought the books were such a joke. We would have learned their AP Calculus BC back in 11th grade and my English grammar is definitely much better than theirs. One kid was 17 years old and he could not appropriately use "its" and "it's" however hard I tried to explain to him.

For comparison - 93% U.S. students major in business, psychology, arts, and all that stuff. 60% Chinese students major in maths, physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, etc.

If YOU had to go through the immigration process, your ideas of a "free country" will immediately break down. To get a student visa I had to read 200+ pages of information and bring 100+ pages of forms and documents to the visa interview. To schedule the visa interview costs a few dollars. The visa costs about $ 120. Then an information system about foreign students cost another $ 100. If there were such draconian fee structures for U.S. citizens, there would be a revolt.

What kind of life is that? Calculus 3? Study from 7am-1am? Thats no life at all. Personally, I would rather live in the slums of Mexico City than spend my life in a text book. I did that as a teenager and in college, not to the extent of 1am each day, and absolutely hated my life. The point of life is to live, that is the difference between asian cultures and the US culture. Everyone needs balance, and you are making it sound like our kids are "bad" for hanging out with their friends, or actually enjoying life. We weren't put on this earth to hate being here, we were put here to enjoy what it has to offer. Reading a text book till' 1am is not fulfilling life. Im sorry, but that kind of culture should not be pushed in American life.

And I meant (by my earlier comment) that college is more competitive than ever, and kids are graduating at high rates. We have enough people to fill high-level jobs and dont need immigrants specifically for that purpose. There is no shortage of strong minds, we have a great abundance of them. I am not really fond of the Asian culture mentality of working people to death, and that is the last thing I would want to happen in the US to the kids. Although education is important, their mentality is very extreme.

[Prince of Lombards]

Originally Posted by apoptosis2003

The U.S. is still growing slowly because of slow immigration. Had there been no immigration, the U.S. will go downhill:

2/3 of science and Ph.D. students are Asian. In particular, 2/3 of maths Ph.D. students are Chinese. If Americans don't want Asian immigrants, could they please watch less TV and study more science? I was a high school exchange student in the U.S. for a year and I was appalled by their quality of education. In China you need to know the American equivalent of Calculus 3 and University Physics to get into college. When in college, the first maths class is often not calculus but linear algebra. Chinese students study from 7 a.m. to 12 a.m. or 1 a.m. everyday from grade 6 until whenever they finish their education; the kids in my American host family spend only 1-2 hours a day on homework, then they go to church or hang out or watch movies or whatever. They showed me their textbooks - be they science, literature, or history - and I thought the books were such a joke. We would have learned their AP Calculus BC back in 11th grade and my English grammar is definitely much better than theirs. One kid was 17 years old and he could not appropriately use "its" and "it's" however hard I tried to explain to him.

For comparison - 93% U.S. students major in business, psychology, arts, and all that stuff. 60% Chinese students major in maths, physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, etc.

If YOU had to go through the immigration process, your ideas of a "free country" will immediately break down. To get a student visa I had to read 200+ pages of information and bring 100+ pages of forms and documents to the visa interview. To schedule the visa interview costs a few dollars. The visa costs about $ 120. Then an information system about foreign students cost another $ 100. If there were such draconian fee structures for U.S. citizens, there would be a revolt.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, thanks to the H-1b and L-1 visa systems that have expunged Americans from the study of science and engineering.

If we can put men on the moon, I think we European peoples can do just fine without others helping us, thank you very much. BTW, who invented/derived all that information in those math, physics, chemistry, biology, and engineering books?

[ArizonaBear]

One thing that has been overlooked is if Chinese culture is so damn good-------why has mainland China been such weak, inept nation factoring in its overall size/population for going on hundreds of years?

I may be wrong here; but, on a per capita level......Nigeria probably produces as many MD's, etc. as the former nation.

If anything; the most successful race/ethnic minority here in the USA are Black Africans from Nigeria, Kenya, etc.---------and their children. Interesting how such was achieved despite the so-called 'extreme' racism in this country.

[camping!]

Originally Posted by apoptosis2003

The U.S. is still growing slowly because of slow immigration from Asia. Had there been no immigration, the U.S. will go downhill:

2/3 of science and Ph.D. students in America are Asian. In particular, 2/3 of maths Ph.D. students are Chinese. If Americans don't want Asian immigrants, could they please watch less TV and study more science? I was a high school exchange student in the U.S. for a year and I was appalled by their quality of education. In China you need to know the American equivalent of Calculus 3 and University Physics to get into college. When in college, the first maths class is often not calculus but linear algebra. Chinese students study from 7 a.m. to 12 a.m. or 1 a.m. everyday from grade 6 until whenever they finish their education; the kids in my American host family spend only 1-2 hours a day on homework, then they go to church or hang out or watch movies or whatever. They showed me their textbooks - be they science, literature, or history - and I thought the books were such a joke. We would have learned their AP Calculus BC back in 11th grade and my English grammar is definitely much better than theirs. I read pieces of their writings and usually I could not find one sentence that is correct and clear.
Perhaps you were staying with a host family of slackers? Or, maybe they put family and the arts or sports ahead of advanced science courses? Who knows, all families are different. In mine, my childrens jobs are to bring in As. This summer two of my dds (11/14) are going to attempt to learn Japanese. I've no doubt that, while not fluent they will learn an appreciation for another language.
For comparison - 93% U.S. students major in business, psychology, arts, and all that stuff. 60% Chinese students major in maths, physics, chemistry, biology, engineering, etc.
Maybe China needs more arts? Maybe China will need more psychologists to deal with the emotional and mental burnout of all that studying? Bottom line, what you are saying about China vs the US comes down to half of one, six dozen of another....
If YOU had to go through the admission and visa process, your ideas of a "free country" will immediately break down. Forget Affirmative Action. Usually there is no scholarship or financial aid for international students. When in America, they cannot work off campus. They can have one year of internship, but the paperwork takes 3-4 months to approve. If a student is in extremely hardship, he can apply for the eligibility to work off-campus - but he has to pay $ 340 application fee and the application takes 4-5 months to be approved. Does this really help those in need?

To get a student visa I had to read over 200 pages of information and bring over 100 pages of forms and documents to the visa interview. To schedule the visa interview costs a few dollars. The visa costs about $ 120. Then an information system to track foreign students cost another $ 100. If there were such draconian fee structures for U.S. citizens, there would be a revolt.

Do you honestly think that if I wanted to go study at a Chinese university all I would have to do is get a plane ticket and then just show up? China has no immigration laws? No procedures dealing with student visas? At all?!

I am flabbergasted by the notion that all other countries on this Earth can and should have immigration laws and can and should enforce them EXCEPT for the US....somehow the US and the US alone should have open borders, no types of visas, no laws regarding immigrants, and then we should also pay for said immigrants via welfare programs. How does this make any sense to anyone at all!?

[UrbanQuest]

Originally Posted by Prince of Lombards

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy, thanks to the H-1b and L-1 visa systems that have expunged Americans from the study of science and engineering.

If we can put men on the moon, I think we European peoples can do just fine without others helping us, thank you very much. BTW, who invented/derived all that information in those math, physics, chemistry, biology, and engineering books?

Amen,

I wonder what type and style of clothing they like to wear comes from. Where does the idea and architectural style of their new gleaming skyscrapers come from. China is a supposed communist nation, but is adopting exactly what kind of economic model and belongs to what global trade organization, set up by.... guess who?. What a joke.....

[barinnas]

Originally Posted by politically_correct

They say that in Canada most of the new immigrants are from Asia. It is causing the country to boom. I was impressed how well the schools are in Canada during a recent visit. The recent immigrants to Canada mostly from Asia are the best and the brightest from their countries. Standarized Test Scores are generally better in the recent immigrants than locally born. Why can't America give more immigration slots to the best and the brightest from foreign countries like Canada?

Asians??, Indians,for example, they can not have a more retrograde culture,
they operate based on a cast system, if you are not at the top, you are trash, professionals, we have plenty, and the best schools in the world,we don't need extra competition, once Indians get a hold of a position in the US,
they do the impossible to try to only add Indians exclusively, it doesn't
matter if they can not speak english, no understanding of our culture either,
even here they exploit their underclass, marriages are pre-arranged, do we want to bring more of this stuff to our country????
We need more immigrants from India/Pakistan, like we need a case of gonorrhea

[bryan61]

apoptosis2003 has the cart before the horse. The reason math and science majors are down is because wages in those fields have been driven down by cheap foreigner labor. Its the same in the unskilled labor market and the illegal. I love the way these folk come to our country, allow themselves to be treated as slaves and then call us lazy or dumb to justify their actions.