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Old 11-30-2020, 10:41 AM
 
Location: North Idaho
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The Mexican economy receives a ton of money send back to Mexico by Mexican citizens living in the USA. So, of course, Mexico wants as many of her citizens as possible to go north.


If the country of Mexico is worried about refugees, the country of Mexico is more than welcome to open her heart and her arms and allow the refugees to settle in Mexico. Mexico is a lovely country, great weather, and no war going on at the present time. There is no reason for any refugee to go any further than Mexico to escape war.


Oh, what's that? Mexico doesn't want them and won't allow them to stay.
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Old 11-30-2020, 10:55 AM
 
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The Mexican economy receives a ton of money send back to Mexico by Mexican citizens living in the USA. So, of course, Mexico wants as many of her citizens as possible to go north.

If the country of Mexico is worried about refugees, the country of Mexico is more than welcome to open her heart and her arms and allow the refugees to settle in Mexico. Mexico is a lovely country, great weather, and no war going on at the present time. There is no reason for any refugee to go any further than Mexico to escape war.

Oh, what's that? Mexico doesn't want them and won't allow them to stay.
This is true of a lot of countries, including Asian countries. It's natural for immigrants to send money back to their family.
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Old 11-30-2020, 12:23 PM
 
Location: Taos NM
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Good. If we really want to reduce inequality, immigration is the BEST way to do it, much more so than more handouts to people who already can't manage their own life decisions like how to go to college for something they'll use.

Why won't Mexico take them? Look at the country, it's flooded with people who are trying to get by, but lacking opportunity. Mexico city is FULL of entrepreneurs trying to sell something, cook something, repair something... There's just more supply of workers than there is demand for more restaurants and used automotive hosing. And that's with their own citizens, let alone those coming up from central America. There's places in the world where people sit around and don't do much of anything, hence why they are dirt poor, like Haiti. Mexico is not one of those places, look at their unemployment rate.

It is so selfish to to demand handouts and more and more social programs for already privileged Americans (of all colors I might add) while shutting the door to opportunity to others simply based on which side of a border they were born on.
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Old 11-30-2020, 12:38 PM
 
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Good. If we really want to reduce inequality, immigration is the BEST way to do it, much more so than more handouts to people who already can't manage their own life decisions like how to go to college for something they'll use.
I don't follow how immigration is the BEST way to reduce inequality. Especially immigration from a single region. Education is more valuable in this regard.
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Old 11-30-2020, 02:33 PM
 
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Good. If we really want to reduce inequality, immigration is the BEST way to do it, much more so than more handouts to people who already can't manage their own life decisions like how to go to college for something they'll use.

Why won't Mexico take them? Look at the country, it's flooded with people who are trying to get by, but lacking opportunity. Mexico city is FULL of entrepreneurs trying to sell something, cook something, repair something... There's just more supply of workers than there is demand for more restaurants and used automotive hosing. And that's with their own citizens, let alone those coming up from central America. There's places in the world where people sit around and don't do much of anything, hence why they are dirt poor, like Haiti. Mexico is not one of those places, look at their unemployment rate.

It is so selfish to to demand handouts and more and more social programs for already privileged Americans (of all colors I might add) while shutting the door to opportunity to others simply based on which side of a border they were born on.
Immigration actually increases income equality and economic disparity by increasing the uneducated/low income worker base in a country. This is due to two reasons: Most of these immigrants are unskilled and then gravitate to low wage jobs, the more immigrants we take in, the less competition for low wage jobs. Thus depressing wages and opportunities.
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Old 11-30-2020, 02:54 PM
 
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Immigration actually increases income equality and economic disparity by increasing the uneducated/low income worker base in a country. This is due to two reasons: Most of these immigrants are unskilled and then gravitate to low wage jobs, the more immigrants we take in, the less competition for low wage jobs. Thus depressing wages and opportunities.
A large portion of immigrants come here with education. Especially from Asian, European and African countries and they do quite well in the US economically.

Outside of refugee and temporary worker status, the same is true for Mexican and other Latin countries.
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Old 11-30-2020, 03:31 PM
 
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Perhaps this should be moved to legal immigration. The ambassador is discussing changes to legal immigration policies.
Yes, because the ambassador believes U.S. immigration policy should be predicated by other countries. Imagine the audacity. Note that U.S. immigration policy is already extremely lenient.
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Old 11-30-2020, 03:56 PM
 
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Yes, because the ambassador believes U.S. immigration policy should be predicated by other countries. Imagine the audacity. Note that U.S. immigration policy is already extremely lenient.
This ambassador was most likely happy about Trump's expansion of temporary visas (one of the items discussed in the article).

The other piece she discusses around our legal immigration is asylum seekers which is solidified in our Constitution.
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Old 11-30-2020, 04:07 PM
 
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Immigration actually increases income equality and economic disparity by increasing the uneducated/low income worker base in a country. This is due to two reasons: Most of these immigrants are unskilled and then gravitate to low wage jobs, the more immigrants we take in, the less competition for low wage jobs. Thus depressing wages and opportunities.
Huh..?? Do you know what your talking about? Immigration maintains more competition for low wage jobs, which depressing wages. The more competition for jobs, the lower the wages. Immigration actually dilutes wages, not only for low wage jobs, but for skilled workers as well. H1B visas are utilized to allow employers to pay lower wages to foreign workers, who are unlikely to complain, because their primary goal is often to secure U.S. citizenship. The H1B visa makes obtaining employment more difficult for U.S. citizens. Because foreign workers dilute wages, the work force has a more difficult time making ends meet, because inflation is increasing at a faster rate than wages. Most colleges and universities are aware that foreign students have their eye on coming to the U.S. as well, which has allowed schools to increase tuition rates at a considerably higher rate than inflation preventing U.S. students from attending despite being fully qualified.

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A large portion of immigrants come here with education. Especially from Asian, European and African countries and they do quite well in the US economically.

Outside of refugee and temporary worker status, the same is true for Mexican and other Latin countries.
Actually, these people come here for the education, and usually have every intention of staying after graduation. Foreign students are the primary means of allowing schools to drive up tuition rates out of reach for American students. Also, recognize that the U.S. had the finest education in the world at the secondary level, making American students the most qualified entering college. Sadly, mostly because of the huge influx of immigrants from the Third World, many of which had never been to school previously, or are even able to speak English, has caused the U.S. to slip behind many westernized countries considerably.
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Old 11-30-2020, 05:32 PM
 
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Foreign students are the primary means of allowing schools to drive up tuition rates out of reach for American students. Also, recognize that the U.S. had the finest education in the world at the secondary level, making American students the most qualified entering college. Sadly, mostly because of the huge influx of immigrants from the Third World, many of which whom had never been to school previously, or even able to speak English, it had caused the U.S. to slip behind many westernized countries considerably.
There's so much incorrect information here that I'll take it piece by piece.

Since tuition right now is just about the same as it has historically been, and we only had an influx of foreign students for higher education recently demonstrates that there is no relationship between tuition and foreign students.

India and China produce more qualified students for college than America does. It's just a small percentage of their overall population (most of which don't have access to good education to begin with). This is natural since a higher population pool, the more qualified candidates. So when you compare the countries overall population, China and India would rank lower. But when you compare how many qualified candidates they produce, they are higher. It's also worth noting that everyone in India who is qualified knows English and recently the same has been true of China (sidenote: India has the second most English speakers -- behind the US).

There's no secret as to why these immigrants perform so well in our colleges, as well as in the workforce.
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