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Old 06-24-2009, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Hasdrubal View Post
sorry, but you're deluded here, my friend. Most Europeans don't feel the threaten of Muslim immigration, don't trust what some far-right European groups claim
No right wing groups just the people living there...Just read the news papers and talk to the people and see how they have voted in the Eurpean elections recently...they are sick of the criminals that have come illegally to Western Europe and basically don't want to integrate, just commit crimes and live of the governement...Of course there is a group that assimiliated and they aren't causing an issue but it is the large group that is causing so many issues...but I see from what you are writing that you are either have blinds up or have no clue about Western Europe and their issues...

I have lived there for decades and see what has happened over the years, all because in the fifties most Western Europeans didn't want to do the dirty work and many hard working muslims came to get a better life and did these jobs...Than they got their whole families over and all was okay....till their kids became older and felt they were entitled to more since they argued that their parents were used and they wanted more from the government...The government had made a huge mistake by not making it mandatory that the arents who came here learned the language and in the homes the people spoke only their language and their kids had a hard time speaking the ****ries language, causing them to fail in school and not being able to get a decend job...many ended up in criminality and over time more and more illegals came to Western Europe...since the borders were open and now it is almost too late...it is a huge problem and many Europeans have lost their jobs, the economy is bad and specially for uneducated people who not even speak the language...

Since this is the thread about why Western Europeans aren't immigrating to the US as much as before...I will leave it and don't write more on this issue since that has nothing to do with the thread....

It is hard to obtain a working visa in the USA since the economy is bad as we all know...so less people will try to come here right now, although if the situation was different many would love to come to this great country.
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Old 06-24-2009, 03:50 PM
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I am a new immigrant and I own 2acres and a nice house. Do you thing a man of my age in europe can have that? Nada zip Nein. I have been there and have seen everything
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Old 06-25-2009, 06:48 AM
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Plenty of Brits, etc. come to this forum looking for advice on moving to the US.... problem appears to be that the US has made it 10x harder for educated European (and Canadian) immigrants to come here, while making it easier for people who are willing to simply hop a border and settle illegally.
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Old 06-25-2009, 08:27 PM
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What an interesting topic huh? Well, I'm originally from Venezuela. I moved out of my country around the time of Chavez's cup d' etat back in 1992. I have lived in Madrid, Utrecht, Paris, and Toronto. So I'm familiar with many of these countries's way of life. While living in Europe, I realized that when it comes to entrepreneurship Europe is not quite the same as the U.S. I believe that TerraCycle's owner Tom Szaky is one of the best examples of why America, and its capitalist mindset and economic model contributes to a great deal of innovative ways to make business. Tom a young Hungarian business man, started his company after the rejection of many Canadian and European banks to extend a credit to start his own business. In fact, he was told to return to school to gain skills....how ironic! He decided to come to America and now Tom's company is one of the most succesfull small businesses in the country. Europe in many ways is very traditional and conservative. If you are an employee, Europe's approach of progress in the corporate ladder is somewhat long and difficult. It is not easy to get promoted. Although many European companies have adopted a dynamic and aggresive business model, in general the naunces of European business and the economy as a whole does not favor creativity and of that I'm pretty sure. For example, any American business person can come up with a turd, apply some marketing ideas here and there; design a good selling presentation package and voila a commercial hit is at the door. I have been living in the State of New Jersey for the last 10 years. And I'm completely mesmerized by the inventions and entrepreneurship instinct that many people in this state, which is a little smaller in size than the Netherlands have.

In regards of illegal immigration, Europe is in no better shape that the U.S. In fact, when comparing the influx of legal and illegal immigrants since the creation of the E.U. with the U.S. immigrations trends, I must say that Europe is in a much worse place than America. The U.S. at least has a longer history of accomodating people from different geographical areas. Immigration in Europe is relativetly a new social problem that they are still trying to cope with. I know hundreds...I repeat, hundreds of British and Irish expats living the Canary Islands (Spain). Europe's face or demographics is changing rather quickly, and that is pushing the wrong buttons in many Europeans. In additon, the decline in the birth rate of indigenous people is aggravating even more the problem.

Globalization, in my opinion, is at fault for what it seems to be an attempt to destroy sovereignty and national values, not to mention cultural identity. Yes, to the rather inclined conspiracy theorist, Globalization's hidden agenda seems to be the destruction of the first world....or whatever that means. There's a little bit of truth in a lot of what many people have said throughout this tread. However, people seem to be inclined in polarization, thus, blaming only a particular aspect of what comforms a very complex idea in which you and I have no part in it.
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:22 AM
Location: SWE
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Don't know about the rest of Europe, but in here our biggest party currently is the right-wing National Coalition Party with an about 24% (and steadily growing) share of the voters. And the most rapidly growing is the True Finns, which for example has very strong, critical opinions regarding immigration, EU, public spending, and the social welfare system. They have gone from 0.3% to 9.8% in just about 5 years. The political climate among the younger generations here seem to differ alot from the older generations.
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Old 06-26-2009, 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bentlebee View Post
I never lived in the DDR but had several houses in Europe. Not at the same time though. In our country there were in many cities laws that if you bought a new build home you can't sell it for 3 yrs or you need to pay a huge penalty or have a hardship. So the freedom to buy homes like over here isn't possible...just 1 example!

But keep in mind this is the legal alien forum. not the polictical forum....so this was the last thing I will mention about it or I will ask to move it to the polictical section of this forum.

What country has such restrictions on real estate?
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Old 06-27-2009, 04:36 PM
Location: Anchorage, Alaska (most of the time)
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To all the people who claim to have lived in "Europe" here... I do doubt that, because if you had, you wouldn't be calling it "Europe". You'd be saying WHERE you lived, as it is not a country, but a continent. There are VAST differences between each and every country. It's not like comparing states with other states.

Europeans (mainly Eastern?) are still migrating to the US, and Americans are still migrating to European (mainly Western) countries.
The question isn't "why wouldn't they?", but "why would they?" Many of the Western European countries are better off than the US, thus there is no need to move elsewhere. Those who move have other reasons, such as love, interest in moving to another country, being "shipped over" by their workplace, etc.

Migration throughout the history of mankind has usually been because of a "need" to move elsewhere (usually because of poor food supply etc.). So, today, people from poorer countries are moving to richer countries in greater numbers than people from richer countries are moving to other rich countries. Just a fact of life
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Old 06-27-2009, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bentlebee View Post
I agree with you. Some countries have silver cards for retirees, which is similar to green cards, the only exception is you are not allowed to work, and they wish it was granted over here. .
Which countries have the "Silver cards"??
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Old 06-27-2009, 07:43 PM
Location: 60630
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The only reason I moved here is because of my husband. All my friends and family members have never expressed any desire to move here. Heck, they hardly want to come and visit. ( for other reasons then to see me and my family ) . When people come over to the States to tourist, it is to go shopping in NYC first and foremost.
I love this country but it is not the dream-land it just to be back in the days.
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Old 06-27-2009, 09:44 PM
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by bentlebee View Post
You know what...liberals will still tell they won although they were badly beaten...Europe is getting sick of Socialism and seeing what is happening over here won't make it easier for people to move here which will make some people happy, although they forget that many foreigners buy businesses over here and provide jobs to American's (E2 visa's). Than you have the more wealthy people who want to go for a E5 visa and if they see this country change, they might not want to invest over here, so no extra jobs will be created either.....

Yes. The government is just the rich sapping the citizens.
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