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Old 06-29-2009, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Houston
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Actually this wave of Polish immigrants is pretty new, coming after decades of not a lot of Polish immigration. Also, there are really no other European ethnic sections of this city that still receive any but a tiny handful of immigrants from their respective homelands. There are no more Greeks pouring into Greektown, no more Italians pouring into Little Italy, no more Irish pouring into Beverly, no more Czechs pouring into Pilsen (which is about 80% Mexican now), no more Swedes pouring into Andersonville, no more Romanians pouring into Old Irving Park (though there are some recent Serbian immigrants there), et cetera. Anyone moving from Greece/Italy/Czech Republic/etc. won't have a network of their expats waiting to assist them with jobs and housing and won't have it too easy if they don't already know English. People moving here from Poland have a huge support network ready to assist them, and if necessary they can get by without knowing English.
That polish network (we might call it mafia) was established in early 90's to support waves of illegal workers from ex-soviet block countries. Polish guys were really good at it, they created tons of companies for supermarket cleaning etc.

There is no reason for Czechs, Greeks to immigrate to US now, since their economy is getting stronger - unless they want to study some excellent university, english language or get 85k+ job.

Poland is a bit different since majority of country is based on agricultural industry, thus living standards are much lower. Also those "mafias" are encouraging people to move to US since they need to feed on someone.
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Old 06-30-2009, 05:08 AM
 
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That polish network (we might call it mafia) was established in early 90's to support waves of illegal workers from ex-soviet block countries. Polish guys were really good at it, they created tons of companies for supermarket cleaning etc.

There is no reason for Czechs, Greeks to immigrate to US now, since their economy is getting stronger - unless they want to study some excellent university, english language or get 85k+ job.

Poland is a bit different since majority of country is based on agricultural industry, thus living standards are much lower. Also those "mafias" are encouraging people to move to US since they need to feed on someone.
The same is going on in Europe where kind of mafia things are going on with illegal Romenia and people from Poland working in agriculture...thousands have come to the Western countries while Poland isn't so bad as it used to be.
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Old 07-01-2009, 08:49 AM
 
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does anyone know which % of income go to taxes on both sides of the Atlantic?
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Old 07-01-2009, 10:49 AM
 
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does anyone know which % of income go to taxes on both sides of the Atlantic?
I couldn't find a good international comparison. Hopefully someone else can. But I did find this which gives a lot of different comparisons.

A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE US AND OTHER RICH NATIONS
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Old 07-01-2009, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Anchorage, Alaska (most of the time)
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I'm free, free atlast, thank God all mighty, I'm free atlast!

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The United Nations Human Freedom Index (0 = least freedom, 40 = most freedom. More.):

Sweden 38
Denmark 38
Netherlands 37
Austria 36
Finland 36
France 35
Germany 35
Canada 34
Switzerland 34
Australia 33
United States 33
Japan 32
United Kingdom 32
Hm, besides from free, I'm equal...
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As mentioned earlier, America has the greatest inequality of income and wealth in the industrialized world:

Inequality of income (0 = most equal society, 100 = the least equal):

United States 99
Canada 83
Netherlands 82
Switzerland 79
United Kingdom 78
Germany 66
Norway 60
Sweden 60

Some of this report, I'm not sooo sure about. Not saying it isn't to be trusted, but I think they got it wrong with the doctor's income in Sweden (don't know the stats for the other countries, only Sweden). It says the average income in Sweden is appr. 25 000, which is completely and utterly wrong. The average income is way higher than that, usually around closer to 55 000 (USD) when you start out as a doctor. Then it goes waaay up, after the doctor specialises (sp?), to three or four or five times that.
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Old 07-01-2009, 05:34 PM
 
Location: Houston
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That report is almost 20 years old.

Also you have to count indirect taxes, such is VAT in Europe or health care tax.
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Old 07-03-2009, 09:40 AM
 
Location: Centro Tejas
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The USA isn't viewed in high regard anymore...at least in most of Europe and parts of South/Central America.
That's why I would consider moving to Argentina or Italy in the farther future. Argentina had paid all of its external debt and is a very progressive country. Italy has the world's 2nd greatest health care in the world and many cities are very peaceful.
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Old 07-05-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: New York City
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Why aren't Europeans, esp. Western Europeans immigrating to the US anymore?

I have heard 2 opposing viewpoints on the subject matter.

One side says that the current US policy, system, and diversity quotas literally discourage/restrict immigration from non-minority, white, European nations.

Other side argues that Europeans, esp. Western Europeans resent the US and US lifestyle and are much happier with their system of government and social services at home.

What gives?
Because the life quality in West Europa is better.
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Old 07-10-2009, 07:31 PM
 
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Because the life quality in West Europa is better.

You might want to take five minutes or so to read this article that appeared in the New York Times today. Same thing goes for everyone whose opinion might be biased or similar to the person I quoted.

By the way, as I'm writing these lines, I heading over to the Lower East Side or Lower Manhattan to meet a bunch of Icelandics, Danish, and Swedish dudes and dudettes that came to the U.S. to stay.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/10/nyregion/10irish.html
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Old 07-11-2009, 01:10 PM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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I am German and I would still emigrate to the US, but it has become too difficult. When you are not rich, talented, gifted, etc., you are not welcome. The way I see it, there are pros and cons when comparing the US to Europe:

Pros:
- size of the country, and the "felt freedom" that comes with it. Europe can be a bit "tight" sometimes.
- speaking English and Spanish is enough to live anywhere in the country.
- lower taxes and prices.
- more pragmatic approach to everything.
- distance from certain neighbors such as Russia and the Muslim world.
- on average friendlier and more optimistic.

Cons:
- excessive stress on business.
- lack of history, culture, and style.
- lack of physical and social security.
- too many radicals of all sorts.
- messed-up society, especially in the cities.
- bad for pedestrians.
- frequent natural disasters.

Last edited by Neuling; 07-11-2009 at 01:51 PM..
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