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Old 08-17-2009, 01:47 PM
 
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Why aren't Europeans, esp. Western Europeans immigrating to the US anymore?

I have heard 2 opposing viewpoints on the subject matter.

One side says that the current US policy, system, and diversity quotas literally discourage/restrict immigration from non-minority, white, European nations.

Other side argues that Europeans, esp. Western Europeans resent the US and US lifestyle and are much happier with their system of government and social services at home.

What gives?
The U.S. used to have something called "The National Origins Act" which gave preferential treatment to those immigrating to the U.S. from Western Europe. Since that is where most of our forefathers came from, and since that is where the original culture, government structure (Mother England) came from, it was those people who assimilated best to American Society. But in the mid 1960's president Lyndon Johnson dismantled the National Origins Act, to allow more "People of Colour" to immigrate to an occidental society. Unfortunately, this also caused an enormous influx in our prison population, from individuals who immigrated here from developing nations who often don't assimilate well to our culture. In the meantime, the quality of life continued to improve in Western Europe, so most people who live there did not see much need to immigrate. And actually, Norway and Sweden are considered to be the only two countries with a a higher standard of living than the U.S.
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Old 08-17-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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Norway and Sweden are considered to be the only two countries with a a higher standard of living than the U.S.
Considered by who?

The US is currently 15th on the UN Human Development Index. I'm curious which standard of living list has the US in third place?
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Old 08-17-2009, 04:40 PM
 
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1) Do you know how long it takes to get a GC?
2) Do you know how long it takes to bring immediate family member in FAMILY bases immigration quota?

For an Indian immigrant, it takes about 18 years to get his GC and it takes another 15 years to get his parents. So let's do the math. Average age of an immigrants in IT industry is about 30 (let's say parents are around 60), gets his GC when he is 48 years old (Parents are now 78), applies for parents GC and get it 15 years later, now the immigrant is 58 and parents are 93 years old. Now he cannot just bring his parents and get the benefits, there is a wait time of 5 years (Spongr42 and T310, please correct me if I'm wrong), now parents are 98. Do you think that is the objective of every immigrant? And did you know that average salary of 10+ years experienced IT professional is 150-200K/annum? Do you realize that the immigrant has paid taxes for 30+ years before his/her parents arrive (if they are alive ) here?

I can understand all the reasons why you hate immigrants and wake-up every morning to ***** about them, but can't you come up with some good reasons? All the figures your organization is feeding you is not FACTS, it's made-up numbers.
And if you are a UK RN with 26 years experience, passed US nursing exam and got a job offer it may take currently 4-5 years to get a GC.No work visas available for nurses.Oh- and my starting salary will be $60,000.Excuse me if my heart doesn't bleed for the IT specailists that got H1B then GC.
BTW I don't think it wouldn't take 18 years for them to get GC-maybe 8, but at least they can work on work visa in the meantime.Most of the GC go to people already on work visas.
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Old 08-27-2009, 12:17 AM
 
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Why would any one who doesn't like muslims move from Germany to Holland...where over a million legal muslims live on a population of 16 million...on top of that there are thousands illegal muslims...so it doesn't make sense. My brother in law just got a job in Germany since the job market in Holland is bad...he is a lawyer and works for the same company for 25 yrs...
I agree with skyecrafts that many people want to live Europe but due to the economy over here it is hard to give up your soc. sec. benefits and start over in the USA. She can do it because she is a citizen but most people have the uncertainty of a visa and it is hard to get here in a legal way.
I know many people who want to buy even more houses over here but since you can't stay over here for longer than 3 months the money isn't spend over here....
It won't be long before Muslims out number the Dutch. The Dutch should have only allowed in a few hundred instead of thousands.
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Old 08-27-2009, 07:17 AM
 
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Why aren't Europeans, esp. Western Europeans immigrating to the US anymore?

I have heard 2 opposing viewpoints on the subject matter.

One side says that the current US policy, system, and diversity quotas literally discourage/restrict immigration from non-minority, white, European nations.

Other side argues that Europeans, esp. Western Europeans resent the US and US lifestyle and are much happier with their system of government and social services at home.

What gives?


The US has many wonderful things as a nation. Europeans mainly love the sun in the warm parts (since most of Europe has 4 seasons and cold winters) and view it as a nation of excess and wonderful toys, which they watch in wonderment for some time. But apart from these things, they have a much better life at home and a higher standard of living [except in south Europe], and don't want to move permanently to the U.S. - even those who are on 3 year contracts with a company. So why should they struggle with impossible immigration laws that don't really favor anyone? Most who are here, move back to Europe. So what you have as the mainstream immigrant is people from third world countries where conditions are much much worse than in this country, and where coming here is a dream come true.

Maybe the U.S. immigration should have some kind of exchange deal with North Western Europe? One of us for one of you, kind of a deal, where they lift on the tedious and excess restrictions for European applicants and allow as many "lenient" applicants as americans who move there. A huge number of americans are relocating to Europe every year. The numbers keep growing. But they too have immigration problems. I think an exchange between Western European and American immigrants would be a positive immigration exchange. Both are from developed and educated nations, both can complement each other, and usually both are accustomed to give back to their own countries. This avoids 'exploitation' immigrants.
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Old 08-27-2009, 07:26 AM
 
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Considered by who?

The US is currently 15th on the UN Human Development Index. I'm curious which standard of living list has the US in third place?


U.S. standard of living is rated on the 15th place by UNs Human Development report on the highest developed nations. In other words, all main socialist economies have greater living standards. The countries are listed as 'best to live in' in the following order:

High Human
Development


  1. Iceland
  2. Norway
  3. Canada
  4. Australia
  5. Ireland
  6. Netherlands
  7. Sweden
  8. Japan
  9. Luxembourg
  10. Switzerland
  11. France
  12. Finland
  13. Denmark
  14. Austria
  15. United States
  16. Spain
  17. Belgium
  18. Greece
  19. Italy
  20. New Zealand
  21. United Kingdom
  22. Hong Kong, China (SAR)
  23. Germany
  24. Israel
  25. Korea, Rep. of
  26. Slovenia
  27. Brunei Darussalam
  28. Singapore
  29. Kuwait
  30. Cyprus
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Old 08-27-2009, 04:31 PM
 
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U.S. standard of living is rated on the 15th place by UNs Human Development report on the highest developed nations. In other words, all main socialist economies have greater living standards. The countries are listed as 'best to live in' in the following order:
...
Umm... thanks, I guess, for providing the list I referred to

I actually asked which list put them in third place.
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Old 08-27-2009, 05:00 PM
 
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U.S. standard of living is rated on the 15th place by UNs Human Development report on the highest developed nations. In other words, all main socialist economies have greater living standards. The countries are listed as 'best to live in' in the following order:

High Human
Development


  1. Iceland
  2. Norway
  3. Canada
  4. Australia
  5. Ireland
  6. Netherlands
  7. Sweden
  8. Japan
  9. Luxembourg
  10. Switzerland
  11. France
  12. Finland
  13. Denmark
  14. Austria
  15. United States
  16. Spain
  17. Belgium
  18. Greece
  19. Italy
  20. New Zealand
  21. United Kingdom
  22. Hong Kong, China (SAR)
  23. Germany
  24. Israel
  25. Korea, Rep. of
  26. Slovenia
  27. Brunei Darussalam
  28. Singapore
  29. Kuwait
  30. Cyprus
Well I can only speak for number 6 and number 15 since I have lived in both....

Nr. 6 will sooner than later be a muslim country just as many other European countries and that will change the list completely!

If you like to live in a country that fits 3 times Florida with over 16 miliion people....if you like that if you need a specialist you have to get lucky that your physician approves it than you can wait 2 weeks and get an appointment...

I understand that 25 days vacation and 36 hour working weeks are very attractive to lazy people but for people who wants to do more in live there isn't much challange in a country like that....but on the other hand risking having to move to the USA and not having a job in todays economy might be a reason why many people don't want to immigrate right now, but I know that still many people try the DV lotery to get a shot to live here!
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:06 AM
 
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As far as the British are concerned it is extremely difficult to obtain a Green Card. There's a visa for every letter of the alphabet but for the regular run of the mill folks an E visa is the one they need to apply for along with around $125k minimum investment plus the cost for visa attorneys etc., However, if they have a family, the children will be deported once they reach 18 This is an investment visa and cannot get them a Green Card.

As I was one of the lucky ones that managed to come here on an L visa (intra-company transfer) I still needed $125k minimum investment and for visas for myself, my husband and two children cost all told a further $50k and this is only for 12 months for which return visits to the UK to the American Embassy are required for extensions. When an extension has been granted (and its purely at the discretion of the officers) then you can have one stab at obtaining a green card which is another lengthy process.

As Australia is begging for good British workers, its the obvious choice for most.

If they are determined enough, willing to work hard, have lots of money for back up then they stand a chance.

The risks are extremely high for the US. The British are selling their homes in order to raise the capital to get over here only to be told 12 months later, after the children are settled into schools etc. that their extension has been rejected, as the business they are working so hard to make work, hasn't reached expectations and they will have to retun to the UK
Why did you need $125 plus $50,000 for an L visa?
You cannot in any way shape or form,compare the US with Australia, unless of course all you're interested in is getting out of the UK.
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Old 08-28-2009, 11:12 AM
 
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Yeah, the quality of life is now higher in many of those countries of traditional emigration, i.e. Ireland.
When you say quality of life what exactly do you mean?
Does it include the cost of living?
How does the COL in Ireland compare to the US?
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