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Old 09-11-2009, 04:43 PM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Italy is not in western Europe. You need to understand that the whole mediterranean region (Italy, Spain, Greece, etc) is considered Europe's Mexico and is Southern Europe. And that's really the best approach people should have to it.
Eastern Europe is no more perceived as a "real" part of Europe than South America is perceived as a real part of USA. Its still the americas, but its not the United States.
Likewise, for Europeans, Europe is western and northern Europe. These are the places that are clustered together in collaboration, politics, economy, aspirations, and goals.

Immigrants from Eastern or Southern Europe will really - in general - not bring sufficient benefit for the U.S. America needs strong, educated immigrants who can contribute to the economy and the growth of the country.
This country is by and large filled with third world immigrants. Its not helping to improve things.
You make a mistake to lump Eastern Europe with Southern Europe - Eastern European countries (Estonia, Slovenia, Hungary, Czech, Slovak, etc) regularly outperform the US.

Since the other Eastern European countries are not members of the OECD, they are not included here, but I would expect they probably do as well as their neighbors.

OECD Education Rankings ę Signs of Our Times

While on vacation in Croatia, I had an interesting conversation with the lady who served me French fries at a bodega on the beach. She held two university degrees, spoke four languages, and she was cooking potatoes and serving them to tourists. When I asked her why someone with her credentials would be frying potatoes, she responded, "You should have seen me last year - I was cleaning toilets at this same resort! The year before that, I didn't even get work. Everyone here has high education, but the good jobs are few and far between."

A typical US teen would not last for a day of high school in Eastern Europe.

Your claim that Eastern Europe is not a "real" part of Europe is laughable. You can't even keep continents and countries straight in your flawed analogy. I really don't believe you are qualified in advising anyone on what the "best approach" to anything European is.

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Old 09-11-2009, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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You make a mistake to lump Eastern Europe with Southern Europe - Eastern European countries (Estonia, Slovenia, Hungary, Czech, Slovak, etc) regularly outperform the US.

Since the other Eastern European countries are not members of the OECD, they are not included here, but I would expect they probably do as well as their neighbors.

OECD Education Rankings ę Signs of Our Times

While on vacation in Croatia, I had an interesting conversation with the lady who served me French fries at a bodega on the beach. She held two university degrees, spoke four languages, and she was cooking potatoes and serving them to tourists. When I asked her why someone with her credentials would be frying potatoes, she responded, "You should have seen me last year - I was cleaning toilets at this same resort! The year before that, I didn't even get work. Everyone here has high education, but the good jobs are few and far between."

A typical US teen would not last for a day of high school in Eastern Europe.

Your claim that Eastern Europe is not a "real" part of Europe is laughable. You can't even keep continents and countries straight in your flawed analogy. I really don't believe you are qualified in advising anyone on what the "best approach" to anything European is.

Hell; I would not make it in Eastern Europe either; never mind that my dad was born in Szeged and grew up in Szentes------------I am too much of a Southern American Redneck
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:25 PM
 
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let them stay there.
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Old 09-12-2009, 04:01 AM
 
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Italy is not in western Europe.
Ever seen a map? Guess not.
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Old 09-12-2009, 04:52 AM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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Do you think working 80 hours per week makes a person more productive? It makes you sick and tired before your time. That's all, you burn out early in life. I worked at low paying jobs in the US, some weeks 80-90 hours, I lost my health to it, didn't get anywhere finacially, wasted the best years of my life and wished I had never done that.
There are more things to life than spending every waking hour at work, no matter how much you like that job, something's gotta give. If not mentally, then physically. Europeans are not lazy because they have more vacation time, they just enjoy life more, that's all...

There's nothing wrong with being proud of where you're from and saying you'd never want to live anyplace else, but why talk bad about another person's country in the proces? Especially if you've never lived there......
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Old 09-12-2009, 05:46 AM
 
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For the Dutch people out here who are looking for answers of how it is overhere...
This is a great forum to get a lot information how America is and what to expect and how American are reacting...pros and cons..bipartisan mostly!

I have written similar on a Dutch/Belgium forum and they have a Belgium moderator (Kastelke) who is running a website which is allowing people to advertise which is causing partisan ship and having people thrown off if the write about "swine flu", unemployment rates and how some American's aren't too happy with too much immigration because of the unemployment rate.

Even mentioning what the fees are after winning the DV lottery to obtain a GC wasn't appreciated...Many people have no clue that it cost you a lot aftr winning and you aren't handled a GC, just by winning...you only win the Notification letter that you can apply for the GC, which doesn't mean you will get it.
You have to be eligible in all categories..(High School diploma, proof of no felonies, etc, proof of savings, etc.)

It seems that helping others (many were greatful) is not appreciated, one reason was that I didn't (like many others) didn't want to spell out all my persoanl things on a forum...which on this forum is pretty normal and we hardly knowwho others really are, but nobody cares. We do care about their opinions and help in certain areas.
So my advise to the Dutch speaking...look on this forum and stay away from the Dutch one...I won't mention the name but if some one wants to get, feel free to PM me.

So that is how people try to get people over to another country for their own interest...which isn't helping the USA to say the least. Shouldn't it be that people have the right to make up their own mind based on bipartisan information?
I was shocked that this is happening in The Netherlands and Belgium...I know the countries are small, but socialism is shutting people up now...that is more like communism!
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:17 PM
 
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If we go by what happened with 9/11, then we would be making sure our intelligence agencies get big boy attitudes and get along. Also it means banning knives in airport security.

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Is it brutal to want our borders closed, given the events of 9/11? We donít know who is entering this country, or what diseases they may have. As easily as those seeking employment are able to enter, itís just as easy for criminals and terrorists. As a U.S. citizen, I canít fathom how you condone this.
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Old 09-14-2009, 12:18 PM
 
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Do you know the difference between EB and family based quotas?
Do you know there is something know as visa bulletin? the current wait time is 18 years.

I'm amazed to see how little people know about legal immigration, yet inject themselves into debates and expose their ignorance.

Which category (preference) of family based GC are you talking about,or are you talking about EB?
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Old 09-14-2009, 01:10 PM
 
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Do you think working 80 hours per week makes a person more productive? It makes you sick and tired before your time. That's all, you burn out early in life. I worked at low paying jobs in the US, some weeks 80-90 hours, I lost my health to it, didn't get anywhere finacially, wasted the best years of my life and wished I had never done that.
There are more things to life than spending every waking hour at work, no matter how much you like that job, something's gotta give. If not mentally, then physically. Europeans are not lazy because they have more vacation time, they just enjoy life more, that's all...

There's nothing wrong with being proud of where you're from and saying you'd never want to live anyplace else, but why talk bad about another person's country in the proces? Especially if you've never lived there......

So true. Americans have a shorter life expectancy than many countries in the "developed" world - number 50 globally and lagging WAY behind Western Europe.

List of countries by life expectancy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 09-14-2009, 01:53 PM
 
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Antibes - this is a serious question. Have you ever been to Europe and I do not mean the traditional 10-countries-in-5-days? Please start with a map.

You may want to look at your statement and replace immigrants with the word Americans - "America needs strong, educated immigrants who can contribute to the economy and the growth of the country."
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