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Old 08-15-2010, 04:26 PM
 
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What I ever wondered is that how come that Canada has a shortage of laborers that require such elaborate skills like Truck Driving, Carpentering etc. that needs to be filled with foreign immigrants?

I hear so many times that someone was given an Immigrant Visa to Canada because he will be Working as an Truck Driver, or Mechanic or electrician?!?!?

Are there really so few people in Canada that are unable to do these kind of pretty basic Jobs, I mean if you don't become a Doctor or lawyer than you obviously have to become carpenter or electrician right, which I suppose most people have to do to earn a living?

What kind of jobs do people in North America do if there is a shortage of these pretty simple Jobs that do not require a lengthy academic education? USA has also a shortage of Doctors. Is everyone else in America an unemployed Investment Banker or Actor?

And if these Jobs have to be filled with Foreigners, why don't they come from the USA, considering that USA has about 10 Million unemployed people sitting around?!?!?

I Imagine it would be no big deal for an American Truck Driver to drive for an Canadian company as 99% of his rides would go through America anyway.

And if Canada has a shortage of Truck Drivers why doesn't America has this shortage? If America had this shortage I'm pretty sure one would get an Visa for the USA for Driving Trucks. But as far as I know that does not happen. Immigrant Visas to The US are given by 99.99% only to relatives of those already living in the US. And Work visas are mostly only given to Doctors and IT Guys.

I don't know if NAFTA Visas are available for Truck Drivers but if Truck drivers from around the World get Immigrant Visas for driving Trucks in Canada, I imagine the Canada would also welcome American Truck Drivers via NAFTA Visas.

And how the hell can 20 Million low skilled Mexicans that have to sneak into America and work as Daylaborers make a Living in the US while 10 Million US Citizens are out of Job?

If legal immigrants from around the world are urged by the Canadian Government to come to Canada to do pretty Basic jobs, then why does America has Problem with illegal immigration? The illigals in America could work in Canada as legals couldn't they? I suppose Truck Drivers, Carpenters and electricians earn a fair wage in Canada that enables them to live a quite live if not why would someone want to immigrate to Canada? Or is the Illegal Population in the Us not even qualified enough to these very simple jobs?

Would be nice if someone could explain that to me.
My take on it is not Politically correct so just fyi right there...But it is really just greed. Native born Americans expect a decent wage to live on. Even though 10 million are unemployed here, no one wants to pick tomatoes for $2.00 a hour. And the employers of those jobs dont want to pay a real wage...Because in the US atleast, there is an endless supply of illegals who will do that work for slave like wages. By hiring a illegal and paying $2 instead of $10 a hour, thats more money in they're pocket. So its a lose-lose situation for Americans. And I bet its similar in Canada to, if Truck driving paid a fair wage I doubt there would be any need to import people from India or where ever else to do it for slave wages.

And you are right, farm work is just a small part of it. I have worked construction in the past and that is another area with slave wages now in many states. But pretty much any job that does not stand and does not require a true "skill" has alot of illegals doing the work now. Busboys in restaurants, cooks at Dennys, cleaners, housing work etc. So that 20 million illegal number is spread out among alot of different fields of work but it is there, and it has lowered wages across the board in those areas.

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Old 08-15-2010, 05:00 PM
 
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My take on it is not Politically correct so just fyi right there...But it is really just greed. Native born Americans expect a decent wage to live on. Even though 10 million are unemployed here, no one wants to pick tomatoes for $2.00 a hour. And the employers of those jobs dont want to pay a real wage...Because in the US atleast, there is an endless supply of illegals who will do that work for slave like wages. By hiring a illegal and paying $2 instead of $10 a hour, thats more money in they're pocket. So its a lose-lose situation for Americans. And I bet its similar in Canada to, if Truck driving paid a fair wage I doubt there would be any need to import people from India or where ever else to do it for slave wages.

And you are right, farm work is just a small part of it. I have worked construction in the past and that is another area with slave wages now in many states. But pretty much any job that does not stand and does not require a true "skill" has alot of illegals doing the work now. Busboys in restaurants, cooks at Dennys, cleaners, housing work etc. So that 20 million illegal number is spread out among alot of different fields of work but it is there, and it has lowered wages across the board in those areas.
My Guess was something like that too. But as far as I understand America has no Unemployment benefits like in Europe. I understand that you receive only Unemployment Benefits for a limited amount of time 5? years or so? And after that you are on your own. #In Europe you can receive benefits for as long as you need to find a "appropriate" job. And in many cases that means decades. What do these people (natural Born Americans) do after their benefits run out? Do they work undocumented too?
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Old 08-16-2010, 11:28 AM
 
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My Guess was something like that too. But as far as I understand America has no Unemployment benefits like in Europe. I understand that you receive only Unemployment Benefits for a limited amount of time 5? years or so? And after that you are on your own. #In Europe you can receive benefits for as long as you need to find a "appropriate" job. And in many cases that means decades. What do these people (natural Born Americans) do after their benefits run out? Do they work undocumented too?
The unemployment insurance system pays people 1/2 of their last wage for only 26 weeks, up to a certain maximum weekly amount decided upon by the state you live/work in, unless the country has significant unemployment numbers, then there are extensions voted in by the politicians. Right now, due to high unemployment numbers throughout the USA, there are people who have 99 weeks of unemployment insurance and that used to be unprecedented.

The payments are completely unrealistic to expect someone to live on: for example, the MAXIMUM benefit in New York State is $405 a week, no matter how high you used to earn, so many people end up getting less than half of what they used to make. I heard in Arizona the maximum benefit is $265 a week! Then the qualifications for social programs like food, rent, etc., assistance are so stringent that many people "earn too much" to qualify to get any help on their unemployment benefits.

Also please note that a person's unemployment benefits are fully taxed as income on the federal level and on the state/municipality level (if you live in a state/municipality that has income tax and most states do, few municipalities do) so you have to give back a significant portion of your unemployment benefits as income taxes.

What happens when unemployment insurance runs out? If you are a single person with no kids you are DOOMED because they won't give you anything on the social programs. I would say that most people go and live with relatives/friends and keep trying to get work.
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Old 08-16-2010, 01:56 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Correct me I am wrong...But the Green card lotteries are only for third world countries. Even the poorest of European nations like Albania and Russia are still light years ahead in living standards and technology than Non-European nations.

And the lottery itself is a nice gesture either way, but still...Just go to Mexico > Hop border > there you go. Home free.
Okay, I'll correct you - as you're wrong.

The Diversity Lottery is only open to those countries that have sent less than 50,000 immigrants to the USA legally in the preceding 5 years - Northern Ireland, Australia and New Zealand residents are eligible and in 2010 residents of Greece, Germany, Hungary and Russia are also eligible (among MANY others) - and I wouldn't consider those 3rd world countries.

The list of eligible and non eligble countries can change from year to year also.
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:12 AM
 
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Why aren't Europeans, esp. Western Europeans immigrating to the US anymore?

I have heard 2 opposing viewpoints on the subject matter.

One side says that the current US policy, system, and diversity quotas literally discourage/restrict immigration from non-minority, white, European nations.

Other side argues that Europeans, esp. Western Europeans resent the US and US lifestyle and are much happier with their system of government and social services at home.

What gives?

Well I am a European from Western Europe, and I live in America (unfortunately) for a work contract. What I saw on TV about the USA was all LIES. There are many reasons why Europeans are not coming to america, and it doesn't have to do with social systems.

For one; Germany and all EU countries really make it easy for their citizens to become more successful, businesses are not allowed to pay their employees $6 an hour (unlike america) while they make millions. Educated is the best and even better than in the USA, Transportation is PERFECT, and its easier to become someone because the government really cares about the citizens. There is no real ghetto in europe and not much crime. (if any)

America is very 3rd world, and not worth the risk of living here. Any city has a LARGE ghetto with several thousands if not hundreds of thousands of poor people (mainly black) and the conditions in this country are not so good either. Gosh I could go all day long, but I don't have time. I'm going to coffee with 3 other european friends of mine here on a work contract and we are going to gossip about how ugly this country is!

Oh also, God doesn't bless America. God will ALWAYS bless EUROPE!
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Old 08-17-2010, 04:34 AM
 
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I'm from Europe too and when I was young I dreamed a lot about moving to the US. After I finished college I had the chance to move there and I analyzed the situation more.

I chose not to move there even if I dislike the socialist system here. Instead I moved to Switzerland (from Germany) and I found here what I was looking to find in the US. Switzerland is one of the most capitalist countries in the world with some of the lowest taxes and the quality of life is really good. (even a waitress can raise a family here) .

I didn't moved to the US because I had no future there. It is very hard for an immigrant to get a job that offers a salary on which he can afford to have the same quality of life like in Europe (mostly because the US doesn't recognize European degrees (with few exceptions)). So what's the point of moving to the US and do a job that requires no education and pays about 2000$ when here in Europe I can make those money easier (actually no one here in Switzerland makes than little). Also it's easier here in Europe to climb the corporate ladder (it's not unusual to see general managers at 30 years old).
Then I have no problem going anywhere at any hour here while in US the crime is a problem. The infrastructure it's also better and I don't need a car anyway (so I don't have to spend money on gas).
The food and the water are better. The weather is better too (I don't need to spend more money on electricity because I don't need AC).

What is the US offering to an European immigrant with a college degree that Europe can't not offer? NOTHING!

Sorry for my bad English (I'm learning it ... even tough I don't need it because here I do well with this poor english and with german)
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Old 08-17-2010, 04:46 AM
 
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My Guess was something like that too. But as far as I understand America has no Unemployment benefits like in Europe. I understand that you receive only Unemployment Benefits for a limited amount of time 5? years or so? And after that you are on your own. #In Europe you can receive benefits for as long as you need to find a "appropriate" job. And in many cases that means decades. What do these people (natural Born Americans) do after their benefits run out? Do they work undocumented too?
Where in Europe you can get unemployment benefits as long as you need it? Not it the countries I lived in... (and I travel a lot... actually I was born in Germany but I moved from there right after I finished college).
In Romania (a very socialist state) they get unemployment benefits for 6 months (I'm here now because I was sent by my company for a few weeks and no one complains that they get unemployment benefits for 6 months). In Switzerland you get unemployment benefits for 2 years.
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Old 08-17-2010, 04:56 AM
 
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US immigration law made it impossible for europeans to legally settle in US ,trust me I know lots of them and many of them would gladly come here instead they go to canada,australia,nz.
I have several European friends with college degrees who find it almost impossible to meet the requirements for immigration to N.America., however i'm seeing a major increase in the Muslim community in most of the major N.American urban environments
So i started a topic to find out what criteria they are using to immigrate,several dozen responses have not satisfactorily answered my curiosity on the subject.
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Old 08-17-2010, 06:02 AM
 
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Well I am a European from Western Europe, and I live in America (unfortunately) for a work contract. What I saw on TV about the USA was all LIES. There are many reasons why Europeans are not coming to america, and it doesn't have to do with social systems.

For one; Germany and all EU countries really make it easy for their citizens to become more successful, businesses are not allowed to pay their employees $6 an hour (unlike america) while they make millions. Educated is the best and even better than in the USA, Transportation is PERFECT, and its easier to become someone because the government really cares about the citizens. There is no real ghetto in europe and not much crime. (if any)

America is very 3rd world, and not worth the risk of living here. Any city has a LARGE ghetto with several thousands if not hundreds of thousands of poor people (mainly black) and the conditions in this country are not so good either. Gosh I could go all day long, but I don't have time. I'm going to coffee with 3 other european friends of mine here on a work contract and we are going to gossip about how ugly this country is!

Oh also, God doesn't bless America. God will ALWAYS bless EUROPE!
I have spent a fair amount of time in what was then called Yugoslavia. Not much to crow about housing, emnployment, public transportation or even grocery stores. Have you forgotten the "ghettos" of Beograde?
Germany was good to you. Of course immigrants find it easy considering the public assistance and support programs.
You too thought the grass is greener on the other side of the fence. Well, one thing I recommend to everyone moving to the US on work based visas - read your contract, negotiate your contract.
Where is your problem? "At will" applies US wide. You can quit and return to Europe. Free your job for someone else who may appreciate the chance.
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Old 08-17-2010, 06:13 AM
 
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I do not get this constant cheer about unemployment benefits. It sounds like your lives concentrate on government hand outs. Where is the incentive to roll up your sleeves and put your best foot forward?
To me a job is more important. Particularly one allowing me to spend less time on work and more time on play for more compensation. And they are out there.
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