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Old 06-18-2009, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Sudcaroland
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Europeans have a higher quality of life compared to U.S. citizens. That`s why they don`t come here anymore.
I don't agree totally with that.
Here we have a bit more money with just my husband's salary, while in France I worked too and we had less. The house we rent here is the kind of house we would never be able to rent or buy in France (the rent we pay for a large 4 bedroom, 3 1/2 baths, 2 cars garage, huge garden here in a good gated community is exactly the same amount as the rent we get from our tenants in France for a house half that size, no garage, 1 bathroom, in a nothing special area).
Back there we hardly ever went to the restaurant, never left for the week-end... here we can do that easily if we like.
We know that we must make the most of it while we are here...
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Old 06-18-2009, 08:44 AM
 
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Legal immigration should be easier and illegal immigration should be a lot harder, in the U.S. as well as in Europe. DH and I would love to live in the U.S. when we retire but even that is hard to achieve although we'll have enough money and wouldn't work. Best thing we can hope for is to live 6 months in the U.S. and 6 months in Europe which means having 2 households.

So last year we joined the green card lottery, although we'd rather live in Europe until we retire. But even the GC thing is difficult because you don't have much time to move. After all, you can't "prepare" anything because you never know if you'll win - until you have won. And you may as well do the lottery for 20 years and never win!

On this board I read so often that U.S. citizens would love to live in Europe and vice versa. If you don't need government money - why is it so difficult to move from one continent to another? It seems that immigrating illegally is so much easier. But of course that's not the route we're going to take!

I agree with you. There are even heart breaking stories from people who have money and don't need any help from the government and bought homes over here and have to leave every 3 months. I happen to know a few and it is sad to see them travel so much, while they actually wnat to stay here and spend their money over here, but they aren't allowed and don't want to break the law. Some countries have silver cards for retirees, which is similar to green cards, the only exception is you are not allowed to work, and they wish it was granted over here. It would help the economy, now they are pushing people with money out, unless they are willing to spend $ 500 K at once in a project that some don't believe in, or can't spend at once...(EB 5)...just let these people stay here with no chances on getting government money, what is so bad to let them stay after they have been checked by the INS! They are legallly here on visa's...
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Old 06-18-2009, 08:47 AM
 
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Why would anyone willingly enter the USA now? Between Obama & the illegals it is less appealing than staying put.
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Old 06-18-2009, 08:57 AM
 
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Why would anyone willingly enter the USA now? Between Obama & the illegals it is less appealing than staying put.
My guess is considerably more Europeans are aligned with Obama than with the previous administration.
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:06 AM
 
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My guess is considerably more Europeans are aligned with Obama than with the previous administration.
Nope...Europe just voted and moved to the right, away from socialism as they have done in the past...
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Old 06-18-2009, 09:06 AM
 
Location: St Thomas, US Virgin Islands
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My guess is considerably more Europeans are aligned with Obama than with the previous administration.
That's an understatement!
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:04 AM
 
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Nope...Europe just voted and moved to the right, away from socialism as they have done in the past...

Oh yes, the European Parliament election that all the righties are hanging their hat on. It's not an election that's taken very seriously, and hopefully you're aware that the political left-right scales are completely different in the US and Europe. No serious actor on the European political scene would call Obama a socialist.

Anyway, we're not talking EU Parliament elections, are we? According to a press release from Harris International, who polled 1000+ adults in each country in late April/early May, "very strong majorities in Italy (85%), France (84%), Spain (82%), Germany (78%), Great Britain (73%)" have a "very or somewhat good" opinion of President Obama.

Barack Obama Continues to Be Most Popular World Leader in Five Largest European Countries and the U.S.

The bleedin' Dalai Lama was number two.

ETA: The spelling error in the link is from the link itself, not me!
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Old 06-18-2009, 10:08 AM
 
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Or maybe its because they can't get jobs just as they can't in europe. It takes money to move and a job.But it seems they are politcally moving more conservative in recent elections tho.
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Old 06-18-2009, 11:37 AM
 
Location: SWE
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Or there just isn't any reason to immigrate? Most people immigrate out of economic necessity these days. Europe no longer has teeming massed of impoverished looking for a place to start over and make their own.
What if we had? How would we come there legally, since it's very hard to get a visa even if one has a college degree and a job lined up ready? Not to even mention if one's just a ordinary working-class guy, nothing special?

I would love to escape the horrendous ever-increasing taxes and lack of opportunity, if it just was realistically possible.
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Old 06-18-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: SWE
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If you're a European with an urge to strike out and try something new, the entire Eurozone is now open to you - there's a modest amount of paperwork, true, but you have the right and it's just a matter of jumping through hoops. This, btw., goes for the bartender and bicycle courier as well as for the architect.
Yeah.. just one problem.. realistically, is it very easy to get a job and live a life in say, France, if you only speak english?
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