limiting Immigration from countires that are anti-american? (generations, conservative, CNN)

[xavier1774]

Yes I know that Najibullah Zazi is stupid and ignorant. He should have not tried to attack America. Why the hell do we let in an uneducated f* taxi driver? how come all the Taxi drivers now are moslum? is there a shortage of Taxi driver we need to find potential terrorist to be taxi drivers?

So you think Saudi Arabia, Yemen, <fill in your Islamic country here> policy to not allow tolerance towards any other religious practice is perfectly fine? How about not allowing people who have an ideological view that is Anti-American to immigrate here is American as apple pie...there are many many people who love America that will gladly fill in the space of the Islamic terrorist immigrants on the waiting list.

We do not want America to end up like Europe with there problem of Moslum immigration that is changing Europe today.

Originally Posted by that1guy

Honestly, this is stupid and ignorant. Being an American that was born in Saudi Arabia, I can truly say that most people are not the stereotypical "death to America" type. Being critical of the current world system is not a bad thing. In fact, we as a nation need to be more critical of the current hegemonic structure that exists with America lperched at the top.

9/11 was a horrific event. However, we are not entirely innocent. Our policy worldwide has been to grab and do whatever benefits us and only us. (I understand the simplicity of this statement, but this is the case in so many terms).

Preventing people from immigrating on the basis of religion or political ideology is in itself anti-American. It goes against the core belief of freedom and liberty in this nation.

[Neuling]

Originally Posted by cgadams

!!!! Are you kidding me? The 3000 people that died in the World Trade Center attack were entirely innocent! America was entirely innocent on that day! The rest of the world hates us because of the Western prosperity that we possess. There is a word for this. It is called jealousy. There is absolutely no justification for the mass murder of thousands of people because of jealousy.

Being that you came from Saudi Arabia, your opinion on those attacks only reinforces the fact that we shouldn't let Muslims into our country.

History shows that, when people of different cultures, religions, or political ideologys mix together, they don't just magically get along. They fight! Not one nation in all recorded history of our world has implemented a policy of multiculturalism and lasted long after. I hardly doubt America will be able to defy that trend.

I think that is a bit simplistic. Of course the US as a geopolitical entity was not at all innocent when 9/11 occurred, though probably most of those victims were. The US has always been trying to manipulate and exploit other nations, just the way most European countries have been doing it for centuries. But that does not justify killing civilians there. We wouldn't be prosperous if others were not poor.

Nor do I think that in the case of terrorists from Saudi-Arabia their hate is due to jealousy. On average I guess people there have fewer economic worries than US-Americans, and health care is free, just like most other services...

[Neuling]

Regarding the title of this thread, are there any illegal immigrants from the Muslim world? I don't think so, probably hardly any. Some posts make it seem as if there were...
Regarding legal immigration, I guess if the US were to prevent people from Muslim countries from immigrating, they should openly change their constitution so that the US are officially a Christian country. Else there will be trouble with human rights groups, the UNO, etc. - and lots of law suits

[Neuling]

But really, strict Muslims emigrating to the US must be kind of masochistic, anyway. People munching pork all the time, sexuality in the media, women and men mixing everywhere, provocatively dressed women, images of everything everywhere, music everywhere, profanity everywhere...

[that1guy]

Originally Posted by cgadams

!!!! Are you kidding me? The 3000 people that died in the World Trade Center attack were entirely innocent! America was entirely innocent on that day! The rest of the world hates us because of the Western prosperity that we possess. There is a word for this. It is called jealousy. There is absolutely no justification for the mass murder of thousands of people because of jealousy.

Notice, I did not say the people that died in 9/11 were guilty, I stated that WE (as a nation) are not entirely innocent. Think logically here. Think unbiased and unemotional. Those that died need not. However, our policy in the Middle East (towards the world for that matter) is that we consume and consume and consume and prop up those that help us. If those in power support us (regardless of whether or not human rights abuses are going on) we will do whatever means possible will enable our business interests to continue. If not, we invade. (Again, simplistic...but for the purposes of illustration, I feel the need to generalize...it does depend on a country by country basis). Jealousy is not part of it. Tell that to the innocent families in Iraq...

Being that you came from Saudi Arabia, your opinion on those attacks only reinforces the fact that we shouldn't let Muslims into our country.

I'm American born in Saudi. I was born an American citizen abroad. Actually, I'm atheist. My parents are Christian. My dad is White from Ohio. There are Americans living in Saudi Arabia.

History shows that, when people of different cultures, religions, or political ideologys mix together, they don't just magically get along. They fight! Not one nation in all recorded history of our world has implemented a policy of multiculturalism and lasted long after. I hardly doubt America will be able to defy that trend.

No, actually history doesn't show us that. History tells us that in order to get along, equal footing is needed. We know that during the colonial era of the United States, the majority of people in New York (rather New Amsterdam) were European...but that's all they had in common. Fastforward, and if you look at the richest large cities in America, they are VERY cosmopolitian. The poorest regions of the US are highly homogenous (Appalachia, the deep South). As for your "Not one nation in all recorded history of our world has implemented a policy of multiculturalism and lasted long after" statement...Switzerland is still there. America has lasted since colonial times (350 plus years multicultural and going strong).

Again, it's these statements and ignorance of other cultures (and in general) that will lead to the demise of the US...not Muslims or any other "scary" culture.

Morning.

[that1guy]

Originally Posted by xavier1774

Yes I know that Najibullah Zazi is stupid and ignorant. He should have not tried to attack America. Why the hell do we let in an uneducated f* taxi driver? how come all the Taxi drivers now are moslum? is there a shortage of Taxi driver we need to find potential terrorist to be taxi drivers?

What? This is just rammbling...

So you think Saudi Arabia, Yemen, <fill in your Islamic country here> policy to not allow tolerance towards any other religious practice is perfectly fine? How about not allowing people who have an ideological view that is Anti-American to immigrate here is American as apple pie...there are many many people who love America that will gladly fill in the space of the Islamic terrorist immigrants on the waiting list.

I never mentioned anything about their policies...if you would like to debate, please bring up only points that were mentioned. This is not how people hold conversations. I can't randomly ask you questions. However, as for this point I will say that I don't agree with their policies.

We do not want America to end up like Europe with there problem of Moslum immigration that is changing Europe today.

Xenophobia is bad trait.

[cgadams]

"As for your "Not one nation in all recorded history of our world has implemented a policy of multiculturalism and lasted long after" statement...Switzerland is still there. America has lasted since colonial times (350 plus years multicultural and going strong)."

I cannot speak for Switzerland, as I have never been there. Apparently, a quick google search shows they aren't handling their Muslim situation very well either.

As for America, we are hardly an example of successful multiculturalism. Prior to 1965, America consisted of vastly White Christians and an extremely marginalized black minority. That is hardly multicultural if you ask me. The only significant wall that seperated the Irish, Germans, Italians, English, French, and so on was the language that they spoke. That one barrier that separated them disappeared by the second generation, as all of their descendants vastly learned to speak English only. All of these groups were united by race, religion, and a respect for secularism.

Today, an immigrant from Pakistan is not only separated by language, but by race, religion, political ideology's, and food (Muslims cannot eat pork, the most common meat consumed by Western peoples, or drink wine at a dinner table, which is a sign of modesty in many circles). To think that immigrants from the Middle East are going to integrate on the same scale that past waves of immigrants have integrated is folly.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by floridasandy

nonsense! we have a legal immigration system in place and everyone has the right to enter this country through legal channels.

That turns out to be factually incorrect. Far from "everyone" is eligible to even apply, and unless you're a citizen, there's no such thing as a right to enter the US. Some can apply and be granted permission.

[Threestep]

Originally Posted by cgadams

Native Americans should have put up a better fight. The 17th century was totally survival of the fittest. Native American's were not the fittest. I myself am part native American (as the family stories say), and I am not in the least bit upset about how history shaped out.

I firmly believe we should cut off Muslim immigration. Islam is anathema to Western culture, and if the West isn't careful, it may prove to be our downfall.

Isn't there something about Freedom of ... religion or do I need to quote The First Amendment? By the way - one of the citizenship interview questions:>)

[that1guy]

Originally Posted by cgadams

"As for your "Not one nation in all recorded history of our world has implemented a policy of multiculturalism and lasted long after" statement...Switzerland is still there. America has lasted since colonial times (350 plus years multicultural and going strong)."

I cannot speak for Switzerland, as I have never been there. Apparently, a quick google search shows they aren't handling their Muslim situation very well either.

As for America, we are hardly an example of successful multiculturalism. Prior to 1965, America consisted of vastly White Christians and an extremely marginalized black minority. That is hardly multicultural if you ask me. The only significant wall that seperated the Irish, Germans, Italians, English, French, and so on was the language that they spoke. That one barrier that separated them disappeared by the second generation, as all of their descendants vastly learned to speak English only. All of these groups were united by race, religion, and a respect for secularism.

Today, an immigrant from Pakistan is not only separated by language, but by race, religion, political ideology's, and food (Muslims cannot eat pork, the most common meat consumed by Western peoples, or drink wine at a dinner table, which is a sign of modesty in many circles). To think that immigrants from the Middle East are going to integrate on the same scale that past waves of immigrants have integrated is folly.

umm...it's interesting that you listed multiple cultures to try to dispute that America is multicultural. It does (and has) worked in the US. The most affluent large city, San Jose, CA is a minority majority city. As are San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles...the safest large cities in the nation. Let's not forget Tehrangeles (due to the high percentage of Persian immigrants to the Westside of Los Angeles...you know near Bel Air, Beverly Hills, etc.) Seeing how the majority of Persians are Muslim...I think it's telling how they have a term called the "Persian Palace" (McMansion).

Pork is not the most common meat eaten by Westerns btw. Also, many Christians I know don't drink. Are they not "integrated"?

Look, stop being un-American and xenophobic. It's not okay.