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Old 12-19-2012, 10:32 AM
 
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WNEP-TV (ABC) is being removed from the cable lineups in Lehigh Valley. Lehigh Valley is part of the Philadelphia DMA (media Direct Market Area), but both WNEP and WPVI-6 (ABC Philadelphia) were being allowed to be carried on cable in the valley.


For some reason
NBC New York City WNBC-4 (NBC O&O)
NBC Philadelphia WCAU-10 are both on cable

FOX New York city WNYW -5 (FOX O&O)
FOX Philadelphia WTXF-29L are both on cable

CW New York City WPIX (CW O&O)
CW Philadelphia WPSG-57 are both on cable

MyTV from Secaucus NJ (WWOR) (not sure how this network functions)
MyTV WPHL-17 are both on cable

PBS Bethlehem WLVT 39 and
PBS Wilmington WHYY-12 are both on cable

For some mysterious reason the other 5 networks are OK, but ABC is not. I suspect that it has something to do with which stations are owned and operated by the network. In other words it is OK for another city to intrude on the DMA, as long as it is O&O by the network. I am not sure how PBS and MYnetworkTV works.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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It looks WNBC-4 (New York City) has been removed from RCN lineup as well. There is a message to watch NBC Philadelphia WCAU-10 are both on cable

The following New York area stations are still broadcasting along with their Philadelphia counterparts.
FOX New York city WNYW -5 (FOX O&O)
CW New York City WPIX (CW O&O)
MyTV from Secaucus NJ (WWOR)
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:16 AM
 
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In terms of WNEP, you are not missing anything. I live in the Poconos and I think their news reporting leaves a lot to be desired. I understand that we all want options but you are better off.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:12 PM
 
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I understand that we all want options but you are better off.
Actually, I thought it was illegal in general for network stations to broadcast out of their Designated Market Area. I don't know why Lehigh Valley was an exception, permitting ABC from Scranton and Philadelphia to broadcast, as well as several networks like NBC, FOX, and CW to broadcast both Philly and NY stations in the Lehigh Valley.
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Old 02-26-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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For historical reasons perhaps? Possibly a grandfather clause type deal?
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Cable television in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
John Walson

Many people believe that the first system was started in Mahanoy City, Pennsylvania by John Walson to provide television signals to people who bought sets from his appliance store in Mahanoy City, charging $100 per hookup and $2 per month. Mahanoy City was ideally suited for CATV services, since broadcast television signals easily could be received via mountaintop antennas and retransmitted by "twin-lead" or "ladder-lead" cable to the valley community below (where broadcast reception was very poor). Walson's "first" claim is highly disputed, however, since his claimed starting date cannot be verified.[8] It should be noted, however, that the US Congress and the National Cable Television Association have recognized Walson as having invented cable television in the spring of 1948.
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Old 02-26-2013, 09:39 PM
 
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For historical reasons perhaps? Possibly a grandfather clause type deal?
Possibly, but the relay station for WNEP was built on South Mountain near Emmaus (where WFMZ antenna is located, along with WLVT), far away and long after the original antennas were built in Schuylkill County in 1948.

It doesn't explain why the New York City stations (whose antennas are on the Empire State Building) were also transmitting here as well.

In any case, ABC, CBS, NBC are only the Philly stations now. FOX, CW, MyTV are transmitting both from Philly and New York (Empire State Building). PBS is a Wilmington Station, but it transmits from the same antenna farm as the rest of the Philly Stations. It is transmitted even though we have PBS (channel 39) in the Lehigh Valley as well. Recently the popular show Downton Abbey was on a week earlier on PBS WTTY, spoiling it for PBS 39.
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Old 02-27-2013, 08:56 PM
 
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Actually, I thought it was illegal in general for network stations to broadcast out of their Designated Market Area. I don't know why Lehigh Valley was an exception, permitting ABC from Scranton and Philadelphia to broadcast, as well as several networks like NBC, FOX, and CW to broadcast both Philly and NY stations in the Lehigh Valley.
Technically it is illegal to do that but there are grey areas that sort of get away with it.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:33 AM
 
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Technically it is illegal to do that but there are grey areas that sort of get away with it.
The public announcement was not very helpful. They simply say they "do not have the right" to air ABC programming. Actually they must have lost the right for some reason, but they don't say why.

ABC in Philadelphia (WPVI) is an ABC owned and operated station which transmits from the cable farm in Roxborough (same as all the other stations). WNEP is an affiliate which transmits from Penobscot Knob on channel 16 (south of Wilkes Barre). Lehigh Valley still could not get a clear signal over all the mountains, but WNEP has a translator tower (channel 7) on South Mountain near Emmaus (near WFMZ and WLVT) . I fail to understand why they have lost the right to transmit ABC on cable, but they can still transmit it over the air.

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Attention Service Electric/RCN Cable Subscribers in the Lehigh Valley
Posted on: 2:53 pm, January 2, 2013, by Shawn Dunn

WNEP-TV is now off the air on the two cable systems in the Allentown, Bethlehem and Easton areas.
WNEP-TV does not have any agreements with Service Electric or RCN in the Lehigh Valley.
We do not have the right to air ABC programming on cable in the Allentown area.
If you live in the Lehigh Valley, many of you can tune in to WNEP-TV over the air (antenna) on Channel 7.
We did extend an offer to the Lehigh Valley cable companies to carry our news and local programming (not showing ABC shows) but both decided to drop our signal.
As was pointed out in February, NBC has prime time shows now that get lower ratings than cable channel AMC's "Talking Dead" which is a talk show about their hit zombie apocalypse show "Walking Dead". It looks like NFL football is the only way that over the air television stays solvent, and that might not last after the next 11 year contract runs out. So network TV may not be here for much longer. Univision finally passed NBC for sweeps week in February.
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Old 02-28-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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The public announcement was not very helpful. They simply say they "do not have the right" to air ABC programming. Actually they must have lost the right for some reason, but they don't say why.

ABC in Philadelphia (WPVI) is an ABC owned and operated station which transmits from the cable farm in Roxborough (same as all the other stations). WNEP is an affiliate which transmits from Penobscot Knob on channel 16 (south of Wilkes Barre). Lehigh Valley still could not get a clear signal over all the mountains, but WNEP has a translator tower (channel 7) on South Mountain near Emmaus (near WFMZ and WLVT) . I fail to understand why they have lost the right to transmit ABC on cable, but they can still transmit it over the air.



As was pointed out in February, NBC has prime time shows now that get lower ratings than cable channel AMC's "Talking Dead" which is a talk show about their hit zombie apocalypse show "Walking Dead". It looks like NFL football is the only way that over the air television stays solvent, and that might not last after the next 11 year contract runs out. So network TV may not be here for much longer. Univision finally passed NBC for sweeps week in February.
The Lehigh Valley in general is sort of a grey area when it comes to territorial rights because the MSA is divided up into 3 different TV markets.

Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton MSA
Lehigh and Northampton County, PA: Philadelphia Television Market

Warren County, NJ: New York City Television Market

Carbon County, PA: Scranton-Wilkes Barre Television Market


I don't think there is any other MSA in the country that is in the Lehigh Valley's situation of having 3 different television markets in one single metro area. It's quite remarkable when you think about it.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:14 PM
 
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The Lehigh Valley in general is sort of a grey area when it comes to territorial rights because the MSA is divided up into 3 different TV markets.
Allentown-Bethlehem-Easton MSA
Lehigh and Northampton County, PA: Philadelphia Television Market
Lehigh and Northampton County, are some small help in allowing Philadelphia to hold onto 4th place as a Media Market. Eventually Dallas will overtake.
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