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[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Packersnut21

Sorry but you say Ford and GM are making quality cars, then why is no one buying them? Why are they laying workers off?

Yes, we do temp to TMMK employee, the temp has to come to work everyday and perform quality work for around three year then they get hired on. They get medical and their pay is ALOT higher than most manufacturing jobs around here.

Sorry but it's a BS thought process to say UAW makes my paycheck bigger. You know what does building cars people want to buy. Once again if UAW and the big three are so great why are they letting people go while Toyota is bringing in temps???? You can keep your union and I will keep my job thanks

Well actually alot of people ARE buying Ford and GM cars.

So the temps get less than permanent employees. Saving Toyota lots of money no doubt.

There's no doubt the Big Three have been mismanaged while Toyota has been well managed. Blame corporate cultures and the schools where the managers got their MBAs not the UAW.

You simply assert that the UAW doesn't benefit your pay and conditions. It seems you have no argument to base that on other than faith. Not to mention that what you think flies in the face of common sense. You say pay and benefits are alot higher at Toyota than other local maufacturing jobs; why would that be except that automaking is a highly unionized industry, indeed there are UAW plants right over in Louisville. Toyota has to compete with UAW wages and benefits to keep the union out, such a thing is very common in highly unionized industries. In industries where the unions were broken, such as meat packing, wages, benefits and working conditions have gone down.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by KerryB

I feel bad for any of the workers that lost (or may lose) their jobs, but GM as a company can go die in a fire.

This is the same company that has derailed or destroyed any viable means of mass transit here in the US at every chance it got. They really are one of the major reasons why we're so behind other developed countries in this regard. This is fact, just Google it.

They also built a small, electric car in the mid 90s & leased them out to people who fell in love with them & the concept. Needless to say, they then confiscated every single one & destroyed them in an act of self-sabotage, just like they did with a lot of the public transportation means they got behind.

American company or not, they get everything that's coming to them.

I know all about the inter-urban railway thing. That was in the 1950s. We've forgiven the Germans, Japanese and Red Chinese since then for their mid 20th Century crimes (which were arguably greater, you know WW II and the Holocaust for starters), maybe you can forgive GM.

GM couldn't have made money at the time on the experimental electric cars they built so they never produced them. It appears they will have a profitable electric car, the Volt, on the market in about a year. I'll consider buying one.

[Packersnut21]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

Well actually alot of people ARE buying Ford and GM cars.

So the temps get less than permanent employees. Saving Toyota lots of money no doubt.

There's no doubt the Big Three have been mismanaged while Toyota has been well managed. Blame corporate cultures and the schools where the managers got their MBAs not the UAW.

You simply assert that the UAW doesn't benefit your pay and conditions. It seems you have no argument to base that on other than faith. Not to mention that what you think flies in the face of common sense. You say pay and benefits are alot higher at Toyota than other local maufacturing jobs; why would that be except that automaking is a highly unionized industry, indeed there are UAW plants right over in Louisville. Toyota has to compete with UAW wages and benefits to keep the union out, such a thing is very common in highly unionized industries. In industries where the unions were broken, such as meat packing, wages, benefits and working conditions have gone down.

Really??? General Motors GM.UL posted on Wednesday a 22 percent global sales drop from a year earlier


Like any job when you start out don't you make less than some one who has been there for years? I have yet to find any job where you come in and make as much as some one who has been there for 5 years. That's why Toyota is doing better than the big three. When they bring in new people they make sure they come to work everyday and produce quality work.

The majority of Toyota workers I know don't want the UAW in our plant. It's not faith or going against common sense to see we have jobs. Our plant is hiring people, whom after period of proving themselves to our company will have jobs at TMMK. UAW employees are being let go and looking for jobs. Explain to me how that's a good thing? Your argument seems to be UAW is great because it's allows it's members to make alot of money, well the member that haven't been laid off. Sorry but that's against common sense.

[Wing Feathers]

Is this the Kentucky forum, or the Automotive forum?

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Packersnut21

Your argument seems to be UAW is great because it's allows it's members to make alot of money, well the member that haven't been laid off. Sorry but that's against common sense.

No, my argument is that you benefit by the existence of the UAW; actually I think I've explained that pretty well, no sense going through it again. You seem to be in a naive denial of an economic and social fact.

[Wing Feathers]

UAW sucks.

[Packersnut21]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

No, my argument is that you benefit by the existence of the UAW; actually I think I've explained that pretty well, no sense going through it again. You seem to be in a naive denial of an economic and social fact.

I have a job and Toyota is hiring, the UAW is laying off workers pretty simple.

[Irishtom29]

Originally Posted by Packersnut21

I have a job and Toyota is hiring, the UAW is laying off workers pretty simple.

For one thing the UAW isn't laying off workers the employers are. The UAW isn't the reason for GM's problems and you're not the reason for Toyota's success.

Maybe the reason you muleishly refuse to recognize the beneficial affect the UAW has had on you is that then you'd have to look inward and ask yourself what kind of man you are; if you're comfortable riding on the backs of others and taking the benefit of the struggles of others without chipping in yourself. Such introspection can be uncomfortable.

[Packersnut21]

Originally Posted by Irishtom29

For one thing the UAW isn't laying off workers the employers are. The UAW isn't the reason for GM's problems and you're not the reason for Toyota's success.

Maybe the reason you muleishly refuse to recognize the beneficial affect the UAW has had on you is that then you'd have to look inward and ask yourself what kind of man you are; if you're comfortable riding on the backs of others and taking the benefit of the struggles of others without chipping in yourself. Such introspection can be uncomfortable.

Ma'am please don't act like you know me based on 5 posts in an internet forum. As I have said before EVERYONE starts off as a temp, you prove to them they should hire you on. I did, my HARD WORK got me hired on. I have said this repeatedly if you chose to ignore then fine but please don't not throw childish and LAME insults. At Toyota you work hard you get rewarded unlike UAW where you can work hard or be lazy but have the same result.


This thread has gone WAYYY of topic. WHile on my way to my JOB, i ntoice I hear the same 4-5 songs played everytime, there needs to be more variety on the radio in Lexington.

[Avengerfire]

Union YES!