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Old 10-20-2013, 04:54 PM
 
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Given that the City of London was never part of the County of London what constitutes "London" exactly has never been simple. (Greater) London in its modern form was established in 1963. But when you read back further London was identified as Greater London for longer than that. In 1930 for example, London's the 8.1 million figure was more often than the 4.5 million figure for the County of London. By the first measure, London was the largest city in the world, ahead of NYC at 6.9 million (what clearly is and isn't NYC - the five boroughs - is obvious, though I believe New York's metropolitan area surpassed London in the 1920s, though that stretched into Westchester County, Northern New Jersey, etc.).

There was a Metropolitan Police District and certain other metropolitan governmental agencies operating beyond the County prior to the 1960s but how long were people identifying with London and as Londoners?

Most of the housing stock in outer London is ca. 1910-1930 I believe.
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Old 10-20-2013, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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According to Wiki:

Until 1889, the name "London" officially only applied to the City of London but since then it has also referred to the County of London and now Greater London.

That's only officially though. It was probably referred to as London long before that.
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Old 10-20-2013, 07:35 PM
 
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Dogs with the heads of cows were common in Wessex until the 1915s, demonstrating that none of this can be taken at face value if at all, so to speak.
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:23 PM
 
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In 1930 for example, London's the 8.1 million figure was more often than the 4.5 million figure for the County of London. By the first measure, London was the largest city in the world, ahead of NYC at 6.9 million (what clearly is and isn't NYC - the five boroughs - is obvious, though I believe New York's metropolitan area surpassed London in the 1920s, though that stretched into Westchester County, Northern New Jersey, etc.).
1930 population of NYC proper was 6.9 million. Westchester County was 520,000. Nassau County 300,000. Hudson County, NJ 690,000. The other urban north Jersey counties had a population total of 1.9 million, but the census counted than as a separate metro then, I'd argue they were a series of smaller industrial cities that were somewhat separate from NYC. Some of Westchester and Nassau wasn't really an extension of NYC at the time, either.

I'd guess NYC and London were about tied in 1930, and maybe in 1920 as well. Perhaps they have the largest amount of pre-WWII era city in the world. Ye olde megacities!

Page 7 shows what was developed in 1930:

http://www.rpa.org/pdf/RPA_tomorrows_transit.pdf

You can make a good judgement on what should count from the map.
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Old 10-23-2013, 11:25 PM
 
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I'd guess that even in outer London, even if they weren't legally in London, they call themselves Londoners, at least to those from other parts of the country.
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Old 10-29-2013, 12:03 AM
 
Location: London, NYC, DC
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A lot of people in Outer London actually don't identify with (Greater) London…you see it the most with places such as Richmond and Kingston, where residents still on the whole seem to identify themselves with Surrey rather than Greater London. Part of it comes from postcode differences (TW/KT vs SW et al) but also social and demographic differences and geographic distance.
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