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View Poll Results: Would you vote to consolidate LI school districs for a 50% tax reduction?
Yes- The tax burden needs to be reduced 66 74.16%
No- Our schools are too important, I'll pay the extra taxes 23 25.84%
Voters: 89. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-24-2018, 01:21 PM
 
Location: Former LI'er Now Rehoboth Beach, DE
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instead of consolidation of the school districts, why not eliminate the tons of layers of administrators ?
I attended a very large LI high school in the early seventies. Graduating class over 1000.
One principal. A few assistant principals. Most of the deans were also full time teachers. One school psychologist for a 3400 student school, who was only there a few days a week (also covered the jr. high).
Heads of departments were full time teachers as well.
Today we have "assistant directors of fine arts" . Director of physical education. Assistant director of dance.
Don't give me any grief about increasing technology, 95% of these positions seem bogus.
Back in the day the "Gym teacher" reported to the principal at the end of the calendar year what equipment was necessary for the coming school year. He would pad it a bit since he still had a partial school year to account for missing and damaged, balls, ropes, etc. Today, they have an "equipment manager". If anyone can tell me the "EM" does on a daily basis, I would love to know.
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Old 01-24-2018, 02:00 PM
 
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Back in the day the "Gym teacher" reported to the principal at the end of the calendar year what equipment was necessary for the coming school year. He would pad it a bit since he still had a partial school year to account for missing and damaged, balls, ropes, etc. Today, they have an "equipment manager". If anyone can tell me the "EM" does on a daily basis, I would love to know.
I do not know of any local district with an "equipment manager." Maybe part of a coaches stipend, but not a salaried position. Never heard of it. In fact, most equipment managers are students. Colleges however, definitely hire equipment managers as part of the athletics department. Also usually students or recent sports management grads.
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Old 01-24-2018, 05:30 PM
 
Location: Former LI'er Now Rehoboth Beach, DE
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I do not know of any local district with an "equipment manager." Maybe part of a coaches stipend, but not a salaried position. Never heard of it. In fact, most equipment managers are students. Colleges however, definitely hire equipment managers as part of the athletics department. Also usually students or recent sports management grads.
I am positive of it in fact. I did not state that it was a "salaried" position, however, it is indeed a stipend. Those stipends in and of them selves are a joke. My point was that the "equipment manager" is now being paid to do the job that the "Gym teacher" was formerly responsible for as part of his pay.

I am well aware how these silly stipends came about as I was teaching when they did. The only ones who were getting stipends back in the late 70's were the gym teachers who were coaches. They got a bump for coaching. One day the academic teachers approached the union and wanted "in" on this deal. Thus the beginning of yearbook advisor, band concert advisor, cheerleader coach, etc. was started. Crap in the district I lived in, they were able to parlay, the moms and dads ouster from things like ticket takers at a school play into an hourly payment for the teachers under the "audience control" label. They were paying $50 per hour back in 2007. It apparently is not at all uncommon now and all one has to do is go to See Through NY to read for yourself.

Before anyone asks if I got in on the gravy train, the answer is no. I fell in love and moved. When the love left and I came back to NY the job market was gone and I never returned to the job.
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Old 01-25-2018, 08:09 AM
 
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I am positive of it in fact. I did not state that it was a "salaried" position, however, it is indeed a stipend. Those stipends in and of them selves are a joke. My point was that the "equipment manager" is now being paid to do the job that the "Gym teacher" was formerly responsible for as part of his pay.

I am well aware how these silly stipends came about as I was teaching when they did. The only ones who were getting stipends back in the late 70's were the gym teachers who were coaches. They got a bump for coaching. One day the academic teachers approached the union and wanted "in" on this deal. Thus the beginning of yearbook advisor, band concert advisor, cheerleader coach, etc. was started. Crap in the district I lived in, they were able to parlay, the moms and dads ouster from things like ticket takers at a school play into an hourly payment for the teachers under the "audience control" label. They were paying $50 per hour back in 2007. It apparently is not at all uncommon now and all one has to do is go to See Through NY to read for yourself.

Before anyone asks if I got in on the gravy train, the answer is no. I fell in love and moved. When the love left and I came back to NY the job market was gone and I never returned to the job.
You don't have to preach to me that these clowns are overcompensated, I've already been banned for arguing about it enough times. Your other post just made it sound like an actual union position, which wouldn't really shock me to tell the truth! Yup, the chaperone thing is definitely a nice bonus. The excuse is "the teachers are already fingerprinted" so it's safer. Aye yi yi. It's a friggin Halloween dance, not a klan rally!
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Old 04-23-2019, 02:50 PM
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this is very wishful thinking cause it will never happen, if others parts of the country can it make it work, why can't we.
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:04 PM
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Never happen.
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:10 PM
 
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Never happen.
True, true. Hardly anyone likes the way things are, but will fight to the death to prevent anything changing.
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Former LI'er Now Rehoboth Beach, DE
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I too wish they would consolidate for a variety of reasons, among them efficiency. That said, there is one real legitimate reason that anyone in a well managed district would have to agree with. I live in district A and my budget and debt and debt service are low and is well managed. You live in district B, whose budget is high and the debt and deb service high, due to the borrowing the district has done. If districts are consolidated then I will be paying to bail you out for the poor job your district has done and at the same time having less of a voice in the running of the district.

This is similar to there being no TOH, TOB, TNH and consolidating under just Nassau County. Nice idea, just too many people with jobs that could be lost. Great idea, never happen.
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:58 PM
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Definitely too many hands in the cookie jar to allow this happen. That's the bottom line.
Greedy buttholes who only care about themselves. They keep taking without a care in the world thinking everything will always be alright. Maybe one day it wont.
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Old 04-23-2019, 07:59 PM
 
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I too wish they would consolidate for a variety of reasons, among them efficiency. That said, there is one real legitimate reason that anyone in a well managed district would have to agree with. I live in district A and my budget and debt and debt service are low and is well managed. You live in district B, whose budget is high and the debt and deb service high, due to the borrowing the district has done. If districts are consolidated then I will be paying to bail you out for the poor job your district has done and at the same time having less of a voice in the running of the district.

This is similar to there being no TOH, TOB, TNH and consolidating under just Nassau County. Nice idea, just too many people with jobs that could be lost. Great idea, never happen.
DING DING you nailed it. I’m building in a district with a huge tax base. And neighboring districts all have way higher rates. Why would I want to pay more so they can pay less.
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