Teacher Givebacks (New York, Greece, Nassau: insurance, unemployment, buy)

[FrmlyBklyn]

Originally Posted by PreciousMonster

You also have to consider how highly trained our long island teachers are, especially compared to other parts of the country. If a long island teacher moves to any other part of the country, they will get hired instantly. The requirements to become a NYS teacher are much more rigorous than other states.

Its funny the jealousy that goes on in here as so many people are jealous that teachers went to college, received a masters degree and with an additional 60-90 credits make a whopping $80,000 after 5-10 years (on average). After working 30 years, most districts max out somewhere about $120-130,000. The reality is that if you are so envious you should have done what these teachers did and made better decisions about your job choice.

What do you suppose teachers should make after working for 30 years and having a master's degree with 90 credits?

$125K All-IN: that means no fully funded defined benefit plan, healthcare that they pay 25% of the cost (right now, you're lucky if they contribute 1% of base pay), no lifetime healthcare after retirement for free - just look to the UAW for where this model is going.

Look out union hacks - the populace is hopping mad, this November will be a sign of things to come; How do you like your Change?

[Buckthedog]

Originally Posted by FrmlyBklyn

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Look out union hacks - the populace is hopping mad, this November will be a sign of things to come; How do you like your Change?

Color me surprised if that happens in THIS state.

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by FrmlyBklyn

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$125K All-IN: that means no fully funded defined benefit plan, healthcare that they pay 25% of the cost (right now, you're lucky if they contribute 1% of base pay), no lifetime healthcare after retirement for free - just look to the UAW for where this model is going.

Look out union hacks - the populace is hopping mad, this November will be a sign of things to come; How do you like your Change?

There may be some changes in Albany in November but that will only impact the way school districts are funded, charter schools, etc. Many of those in congress have been the beneficiaries of funding from the teachers union and they need to go, but any real change needs to come through the school boards and the contracts that expire in June 2011. If you want to make a difference then you need to get involved now, don’t expect voting the budget down in May will be a solution.

[PreciousMonster]

One way that the school districts and the state are going to save money is that they will continue creating new tiers. We are already on Tier 5. Every year, they will add a new tier which will decrease pension (or increase how much you have to pay for),etc...

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by pdcnret

Careful, your anti-cop agenda is showing again.

Since you really don't know a whole lot about the negotiation process in the public sector, it might interest you to know, that unlike you, nobody in the process obsesses about how much the individual makes. What they do focus on is how much the entire package will cost. That allows both of the parties a lot of maneuvering room in negotiating their contracts.

Once again, your all-too-familiar anti-cop agenda diminishes your credibility.

After salary and benefits there is very little to make a substantial difference, salary is most definitely a consideration in contract negotiations since it makes up the lions share of the budget. Obviously salary was not a consideration in California civil service positions but I am sure it is now.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by PreciousMonster

One way that the school districts and the state are going to save money is that they will continue creating new tiers. We are already on Tier 5. Every year, they will add a new tier which will decrease pension (or increase how much you have to pay for),etc...

I propose TIER NOTHING.

Put teachers on 403bs and the rest of the State employees on 401ks with appropriate annual employer (State) contributions.

Pay for your own retirement like everyone else has to. I find it particularly amusing that the proponents of making the taxpayers be the ones to save for them for retirement will actually go into other threads and outright attack people who ask where they can find an affordable apartment as if they were shiftless welfare recipients and call them all kinds of names WHILE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE TRUE BENEFICIARIES OF NY'S WELFARE STATE.

[sickofnyc99]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

I propose TIER NOTHING.

Put teachers on 403bs and the rest of the State employees on 401ks with appropriate annual employer (State) contributions.

Pay for your own retirement like everyone else has to. I find it particularly amusing that the proponents of making the taxpayers be the ones to save for them for retirement will actually go into other threads and outright attack people who ask where they can find an affordable apartment as if they were shiftless welfare recipients and call them all kinds of names WHILE THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE TRUE BENEFICIARIES OF NY'S WELFARE STATE.

I keep trying to +1 you but no go. I love the visceral response you get when you point out these facts. You get the feeling that if this convo were happening in person they'd gouge your eyes out. Then it's "well you should have become a teacher then". Awesome. I keep hearing about what an emotional toll these kids take on them after 9 months and how it's so draining. Please, pretty please swing by my "office" for nine months and we'll see what that really means. Oh and by the way since I work for a not for profit I get 403b'd, meanwhile the organization has more money than god.

[Yzette]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

I propose TIER NOTHING.

I propose a socialist revolution in which workers in the private sector have the same, humane benefits that non-profit and government workers get, but hey, that would take effort. Your typical American couldn't sit around being a complacent complainer, and heaven forbid the fat-cat CEOs and bankers didn't get their annual yacht upgrades, which is why these same fat cats pay the Republicans in Congress to [URL="http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/08/30/obama.economy/?hpt=T2"]choke the everloving crap[/URL] out of small banks and therefore small businesses. (Remember, Wall Street is passé. Main Street is where it's at.)

And before any right-wingers chime in with "Greece! Greece!" I'll say "Achtung, baby!" Look at Germany. Most time off, no debt, free health care, and [URL="http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Stefan-Karlsson-s-Blog/2010/0829/German-economy-s-flying-again.-Did-goverment-money-fuel-it"]their economy is booming[/URL]--after being worse than ours.

But hey. Complain about local workers who are smart enough to unionize and get what everyone should be demanding. Claim that it's about your taxes. Ayup.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by Avienne

I propose a socialist revolution in which workers in the private sector have the same, humane benefits that non-profit and government workers get, but hey, that would take effort. Your typical American couldn't sit around being a complacent complainer, and heaven forbid the fat-cat CEOs and bankers didn't get their annual yacht upgrades, which is why these same fat cats pay the Republicans in Congress to choke the everloving crap out of small banks and therefore small businesses.

And before any right-wingers chime in with "Greece! Greece!" I'll say "Achtung, baby!" Look at Germany. Most time off, no debt, free health care, and their economy is booming--after being worse than ours.

But hey. Complain about local workers who are smart enough to unionize and get what everyone should be demanding. Claim that it's about your taxes. Ayup.

Back beating the dead horse with us?

For me, it IS all about the taxes. Particularly the ever-rising property taxes. Income taxes can be worked with.

How about this:

Pension costs on LI to jump 30 percent in 2012

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/p...2012-1.2255723

Public pension costs will increase by tens of millions of dollars for Nassau and Suffolk counties in 2012 - a 30 percent increase from 2011 - under new funding rates set Thursday by state Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli.

The move was a reaction to the economic collapse of 2008 and 2009 and erratic financial markets that caused the New York's Common Retirement Fund to fall $8 billion in value to $124.8 billion in the second quarter of 2010, DiNapoli said.

In Nassau, pension contributions would increase from $114 million in 2011 to about $147 million in 2012, a $33-million jump, according to Timothy Sullivan, deputy county executive for finance. Nassau Comptroller George Maragos called the increase "shocking," noting, "It's going to be not quite devastating - but close."

Suffolk's bill is going from $136 million in 2011 to $178.2 million in 2012, a $42.2-million increase. Suffolk County Executive Steve Levy said: "This increase is very significant, and it is a further indication that there is a crying need to change the public sector pension system."

If Nassau and Suffolk County were private companies funding these pensions themselves, it would be none of my business. But they are government entities confisticating the funds from taxpayers by force.

How long can we go on like this?

If that ancient calendar is right, then the world will end on Dec. 21, 2012 and we won't have long to deal with this after all ...

[Yzette]

Originally Posted by I_Love_LI_but

Back beating the dead horse with us?

For me, it IS all about the taxes. Particularly the ever-rising property taxes.

Germany interests me right now, and as a small business owner, I'm disgusted with Congress.

As for property taxes, a) it's factored into my rent, which ain't cheap, b) I don't own a home and wouldn't be dumb enough to buy here, so I don't care, and c) my guy is a county worker halfway to retirement, tier 4, paid into his retirement for the first 10 years (tier 5 pays into it the entire time) and sorry, nuh-uh, you don't get to strip him of the benefits he has accrued. There's my agenda, and I don't apologize for it or care what anyone thinks of it.

Back to work I go. You know, entrepreneurialism and all that.