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I disagree. I think it's the unions, i.e.- through their failure to make concessions during hard times, that bring areas down to their knees. The unions cause businesses and people with common sense to leave, which brings on the gangs, drugs and illegals. Watch this little docu and you will see that entitlement programs, the municipal unions and the UAW, all led to the downfall of Detroit. We already have this to an extent in places like Wyandanch and other parts of Suffolk County, and it's only going to get worse. There are now 230 houses under $100k in Suffolk (was about 140 last year). A lot of them are foreclosures. Gutted by looters, rotting away and likely to be condemned. This is going to have a severe impact as the rest of suffolk is going to have to pick up the $slack, from the exodus going on now.
ps- Why are the PD on LI paid so much, if like you said, the results are poor (gangs, drugs etc) ?
pps- It's also absolutely sickening that our govt bailed out the UAW. The Govt bypassed bankruptcy laws to save GM & the UAW.. so when it comes time to break contracts with unions in NY, we should have the right of way.
Dammit, I wish I hadn't literally just repped you for another post cuz THIS is the one that should have gotten it....
GREAT VIDEO. That is soooooo on the money. I love it, sad as it is.
Aside from the political slant (I don't think it's a left-wing coup, just greed and incompetence) that's almost exactly what I was trying to say with my fumbling idiot 50,000 word essay earlier in this thread. It's not just Detroit, look at any of the decaying, vacant, once-prosperous cities in Upstate NY and you will see a scenario where a middle class exodus was precipitated by spikes in unsustainable government costs.
Contrary to pequaman's anti union diatribes, the downfall of Detroit began almost 50 years ago with the race riots of 1967 which accelerated the white flight from the motor city, taking many businesses and jobs along with it. The Big 3 auto makers also began leaving Detroit, outsourcing many aspects of the industry to other areas.
Fast foward to the nineties and the American auto industry then became as one dimensional as pequaman's anti union posting when they let quality slip and put all their eggs in the SUV basket. Except for trucks and SUV's, they did not produce any vehicles that people wanted, letting their market share decline dramatically, followed by their profits. Once gas prices rose, even the SUV market couldn't keep them afloat since americans began looking for fuel efficient vehicles and they were not interested in the garbage built by the big three.
While aspects of UAW contracts are costly, they are not solely to blame for the problems of GM, Ford and Chrysler or Detroit for that matter.
Contrary to pequaman's anti union diatribes, the downfall of Detroit began almost 50 years ago with the race riots of 1967 which accelerated the white flight from the motor city, taking many businesses and jobs along with it.
Nearly every medium-to-large sized city in the United States suffered through the same social issues and white/middle class exodus in the 1960s....yet most others were able to recover. What happened in Detroit, or Buffalo? There are certainly cities that took a nosedive during that period, never recovered and are in states with relatively low government cost....but they're also generally economic wastelands. Detroit and the Upstate NY cities were still very strong job markets long after the white flight era subsided.
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The Big 3 auto makers also began leaving Detroit, outsourcing many aspects of the industry to other areas.
Fast foward to the nineties and the American auto industry then became as one dimensional as pequaman's anti union posting when they let quality slip and put all their eggs in the SUV basket. Except for trucks and SUV's, they did not produce any vehicles that people wanted, letting their market share decline dramatically, followed by their profits. Once gas prices rose, even the SUV market couldn't keep them afloat since americans began looking for fuel efficient vehicles and they were not interested in the garbage built by the big three.
While aspects of UAW contracts are costly, they are not solely to blame for the problems of GM, Ford and Chrysler or Detroit for that matter.
The absolute nadir of the American automobile industry was unquestionably the mid-1970s (referred to as "The Malaise Era"), and build quality has improved considerably every decade since then. There was no "slip" in the 90s. As the video Pequaman posted addressed, it's also a complete myth that the Big Three's current failures are largely due to a lack of fuel efficient vehicles. GM, Ford & Chrysler have offered just as many 30+ MPG vehicles as their Japanese and European competitors over the last 25 years, at a lower cost and in most cases - they've OUTSOLD them by a wide margin! Based on sales figures alone, these should be the most successful companies on the planet. I have a Standard Catalog of American Cars 1976-2000 sitting right in front of me.....350,000 Chevy Cavaliers a year, 400,000 Ford Escorts a year, 300,000 Dodge/Plymouth Neons a year....Honda has never sold more than 1.5 million cars a year in America (and that is including Acura too), while GM typical sold somewhere between 4-5 million a year up until very recently, and still outsells any other manufacturer despite the massive downtown across the board. Trucks and SUVs still make up the majority of the Top 10 selling vehicles in the United States every year. If people "don't want" these gas guzzlers, than why do they keep buying them?
...and like you mentioned, many aspects of the production and development process have been outsourced to cheap labor overseas, so it's not really that hard to see where the problem is here. GM/Ford/Chrysler have been selling cars that they make nothing back on for years now. Labor costs are the highest expense any company has and final assembly is costing the Big Three nearly twice as much as what their competitors get away with. Back in the 70s, American manufacturers lost a huge chunk of market share thanks to shoddy build quality and the rise to prominence of makes like Volkswagen and Toyota. 40 years later something much different has happened.
I disagree. I think it's the unions, i.e.- through their failure to make concessions during hard times, that bring areas down to their knees. The unions cause businesses and people with common sense to leave, which brings on the gangs, drugs and illegals. Watch this little docu and you will see that entitlement programs, the municipal unions and the UAW, all led to the downfall of Detroit. We already have this to an extent in places like Wyandanch and other parts of Suffolk County, and it's only going to get worse. There are now 230 houses under $100k in Suffolk (was about 140 last year). A lot of them are foreclosures. Gutted by looters, rotting away and likely to be condemned. This is going to have a severe impact as the rest of suffolk is going to have to pick up the $slack, from the exodus going on now.
ps- Why are the PD on LI paid so much, if like you said, the results are poor (gangs, drugs etc) ?
pps- It's also absolutely sickening that our govt bailed out the UAW. The Govt bypassed bankruptcy laws to save GM & the UAW.. so when it comes time to break contracts with unions in NY, we should have the right of way.
Anyone who rants on about leftists or righties is part of the problem and should be dismissed.
Contrary to pequaman's anti union diatribes, the downfall of Detroit began almost 50 years ago with the race riots of 1967 which accelerated the white flight from the motor city, taking many businesses and jobs along with it. The Big 3 auto makers also began leaving Detroit, outsourcing many aspects of the industry to other areas.
Fast foward to the nineties and the American auto industry then became as one dimensional as pequaman's anti union posting when they let quality slip and put all their eggs in the SUV basket. Except for trucks and SUV's, they did not produce any vehicles that people wanted, letting their market share decline dramatically, followed by their profits. Once gas prices rose, even the SUV market couldn't keep them afloat since americans began looking for fuel efficient vehicles and they were not interested in the garbage built by the big three.
While aspects of UAW contracts are costly, they are not solely to blame for the problems of GM, Ford and Chrysler or Detroit for that matter.
While it wasn't entirely the unions that caused Detroit's fall, it was the UAW that caused the big 3 to collapse. The problem started in 1950, when GM began picking up costs for medical insurance, pensions and retiree benefits. There's articles indexed from as far as 12 years ago of writers warning of the future collapse of the big 3 because of this very reason (UAW).
Like the video pointed out, GM offered plenty of fuel efficient vehicles. It's just that they were not competitive price-wise with toyota & honda et al, which BTW Toyota & Honda managed to earn healthy profits, while charging a lot less for their high efficient vehicles. The UAW and luxurious benefits extracted from GM, caused the "garbage built by the big three"; as they had to cut corners and effectively overcharge for their cars to pay for the generous benefits from the last 50 years. People aren't stupid, they saw that GM cars were a rip-off. Who would be stupid enough to pay $28k for a 30mpg Malibu hybrid vs $21k for a 50mpg Toyota prius? When most people can spot the baggage coming along with a GM car purchase which is something like $3k-$4k in waste to pay for the 450k pensioners living off GM. GM could be pumping the tens of Billions$ it pays to pensions/healthcare to every single worker into R&D and into keeping prices low to sell cars at a higher margin. Maybe if fixed expenses (Legacy Costs) weren't so high, GM could've stayed afloat on its own.
The UAW made GM uncompetitive. Same way US Steel is becoming a dying dinosaur as it's also firmly under control of a giant union (USW). --stock suggestion- short stock ticker X in 2012-2013, that's another one heading to -$0- in the near future. Probably why Pittsburgh is on this list of top 7 US "Running out of People". Except for New Orleans, there's a common denominator present in the other 6 cities.
Bottom line is: It wasn't high gas prices or the economy or that "American's make crap products" that caused GM and ultimately the one-trick-pony, Detroit, to fail. It was the unions behind these industries. Unions rely on inflation and never-ending boom economies to sustain themselves (ie- the host company they wrap their tentacles around).
How this applies to Nassau County? we're becoming uncompetitive too and going to be experiencing a similar exodus.
Things like this will continue to happen all over the US. We are too greedy and self absorbed to do anything about it until it's too late. Nobody notices when a beach slowly erodes, small waves crashing over the years slowly taking the sand away... It's not until a title wave comes and takes all the sand at once that the cries are heard.
It's not until then that something is done about it.
Having lived out in Long Island during 2008-2009 and having visited it many many times and traveled around much of it over the years, I’ve gotten to know it pretty well (originally I’m from Flushing, Queens, NY and my parents lived in Dix Hills, Suffolk County for 37 years). That is, I think I know the layout, the municipalities & political jurisdictions, the demographics, the topography, the economics, et al of Nassau and Suffolk Counties pretty well.
THE POINT IS THIS: I’ve noted that, even when there are VERY NICE AND LIVABLE JURISDICTIONS (towns, villages, hamlets, census-designated places, cities) and even UPSCALE OR EXCLUSIVE AREAS in Long Island (by “Long Island", I mean Nassau and Suffolk Counties only . . . not also including Queens and/or Brooklyn), they are often right next door or adjoining other jurisdictions/municipalities that are considered to be NOT SO NICE/LIVABLE/SAFE JURISDICTIONS . . . in terms of there being a significant element of persons populating those adjoining jurisdictions/municipalities who are CRIMINALLY-MINDED (i.e., intent on engaging in activities which threaten the safety of persons or property; e.g., theft, robbery, burglary, violent assault or murder, sexual assault, dealing in stolen goods, drug dealing, violent gang membership & activity, vandalism and destruction of public or private properties, et al) or just intent on living a life of GENERAL INCIVILITY (i.e., characterized by engaging in behavior patterns or conducting oneself in ways that reflect an UNcivil attitude toward life; i.e., not looking to be exemplified as being a responsible, productive, useful member of human society who always aims to “play by the rules” and abide in accepted standards of public behavior: e.g., having a low-to-nil work ethic, engaging in begging/panhandling/hustling as a way-of-life; engaging in illicit activities such as drug dealing, prostitution, dealing in stolen goods, engaging in vandalism and property destruction of various types, being publically intoxicated or drug-addled, making public nuisances of oneself such as public drunkenness or excessive noise-making or harassing or initimidating others who are passersby on streets or shopping centers or parks or wherever else, et al).
What comes to my own mind as examples of VERY NICE AND LIVABLE JURISDICTIONS or even UPSCALE OR EXCLUSIVE AREAS on Long Island being situated alongside NOT SO NICE/LIVABLE/SAFE JURISDICTIONS? You can probably all think of some examples. Only sharing here examples of areas that I have personally seen myself (or at least seen beyond a modicum):
DIX HILLS: has BRENTWOOD on its immediate south/southeast, WYANDANCH on its immediate south/southwest, and HUNTINGTON STATION on its near-immediate northwest
HUNTINGTON VILLAGE & areas just north or west of Huntington Village (i.e., Cold Spring Harbor, Lloyd Harbor, Halesite, Huntington Bay): has HUNTINGTON STATION on its immediate south
GREENLAWN: has HUNTINGTON STATION on its immediate west
SOUTH HUNTINGTON: has HUNTINGTON STATION on its immediate north
PORT JEFFERSON: has PORT JEFFERSON STATION on its immediate south (note that I’ve explored Port Jefferson but haven’t really explored Port Jefferson Station separately but have read and heard that it has problems such as those mentioned above)
MASSAPEQUA: has NORTH AMITYVILLE on its immediate east/northeast
WESTBURY VILLAGE & SALISBURY: has NEW CASSEL on its immediate east/north/northeast
GARDEN CITY: has HEMPSTEAD VILLAGE on its immediate south
I’m sure there are other examples that others can bring up (e.g., proximity of certain “nice” areas to Roosevelt or Freeport or Bellport/North Bellport or Central Islip or ???) but I personally haven’t explored those areas deeply enough to effectively judge them myself (though I’ve passed through all of them by car a few times— other than Bellport/North Bellport —but haven’t explored them and their surrounding areas “in-depth” and cross-compared them to be able to make useful comments about them myself regarding these matters).
MY QUESTIONS ARE THE FOLLOWING (DIRECTED TO THOSE PERSONS WHO LIVE OR HAVE LIVED OR WORKED IN THE ABOVE-MENTIONED DESIRABLE AREAS OR OTHERWISE KNOW THEM WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE KNOWLEDGEABLE COMMENTS ABOUT THEM . . . NOT JUST UNINFORMED OPINIONS OR BIASES BUT **KNOWLEDGEABLE** COMMENTS BASED ON FACTS):
1) Is there any telltale pattern over time of DIX HILLS (or even neighboring COMMACK) residents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate BRENTWOOD (which adjoins you to your immediate south/southeast) or from those who populate WYANDANCH (which adjoins you to your immediate south/southwest), or HUNTINGTON STATION (which adjoins you to your near-immediate northwest)?
2) Is there any telltale pattern over time of HUNTINGTON VILLAGEresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate HUNTINGTON STATION (which adjoins you to your immediate south)? It would seem that certain HUNTINGTON STATION residents of uncivil character could very easily just walk right into the nice village/downtown of Huntington Village (being so close to and adjoining one another) and engage in the same detrimental behaviors that they are criticized and condemned for when they are in HUNTINGTON STATION. The question is: Do they ever, in fact, do so?
I note that, per this writing, Huntington Village does not even have its own village police force nor a Suffolk County Police Dept. station situated in the village itself (unless I am misinformed) . . . yet GARDEN CITY, for example, does have its own municipal/village police force and the county and state police are situated there as well.
3) Is there any telltale pattern over time of GREENLAWNresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate HUNTINGTON STATION (which adjoins you to your near-immediate west)?
4) Is there any telltale pattern over time of SOUTH HUNTINGTONresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate HUNTINGTON STATION (which adjoins you to your immediate north)?
5) Is there any telltale pattern over time of PORT JEFFERSONresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate PORT JEFFERSON STATION (which adjoins you to your immediate south)?
6) Is there any telltale pattern over time of MASSAPEQUAresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate NORTH AMITYVILLE (which adjoins you to your immediate east/northeast)?
7) Is there any telltale pattern over time of WESTBURY VILLAGE & SALISBURYresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate NEW CASSEL (which adjoins you to your immediate east/north/northeast)?
8) Is there any telltale pattern over time of GARDEN CITYresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate HEMPSTEAD VILLAGE (which adjoins you to your immediate south)?
Just like HUNTINGTON VILLAGE, the uncivil element of the population of immediately-adjoining HEMPSTEAD VILLAGE can very easily just walk right into downtown Garden City (being so close to and adjoining one another) and engage in the same detrimental behaviors that they are criticized and condemned for when they are in HEMPSTEAD VILLAGE. The question is: Do they ever, in fact, do so in Garden City (and even with there being all the police presence and patrolling by village, county and state police forces in that village)?
Or can you yourselves share OTHER EXAMPLES here that YOU can bring up of VERY NICE AND LIVABLE JURISDICTIONS or even UPSCALE OR EXCLUSIVE AREAS on Long Island being situated alongside NOT SO NICE/LIVABLE/SAFE JURISDICTIONS and then if you experience any spillover of criminal or uncivil behaviors from the population of your immediately-adjoining not-no-nice neighboring jurisdictions?
IMPORTANT NOTE FOR ALL TO READ: In case anyone reading this posting of mine is inclined to think that this posting has a racially- or ethnically-animostic overtone to it (I myself am an upper-middle-aged Caucasian male of Jewish background), nothing could be further from the truth. To prove this to you, read the following posting made by myself on 11/20/2010 to another City-Data.com forum posting asking contributors to comment on “THE GOOD THINGS ABOUT LONG ISLAND”. Among the things that I said regarding “what I like/love about LONG ISLAND” (all my own authored words and with boldfacing added here by me for emphasis) was the following comment by me:
“THE DIVERSITY OF PEOPLES of whatever race, nationality or ethnic group, creed, religion or non-religion, political or cultural or philosophical affinity, et al. Unlike how some persons try to portray Long Island or suburban life, I find that I am never cut off from experiencing the diversity of peoples that make up the human species . . . which helps me to maintain a balanced, informed and wholesome view of life rather than an insular, parochial or prejudicial view of life. There are people on this CITY-DATA FORUMS at-large (and elsewhere on the Internet) who will express ambivalent or negative views of living and interacting with persons of other races, nationalities, et al. The outlook/view that I have evolved into regarding such matters can be summarized as such: "I don't care about the color of skin; I care about the color of behavior". As long as a person can conduct himself or herself in a civilized, appropriate manner and respect the dignity, sanctity, safety and peace-of-mind of other persons, maintain social and civil decorum, and care about maintaining the environment around them, that is all I care about. I don't care at all what anyone looks like or what ethnic / racial / other labels they have assigned to them by society or by themselves; all I care about is how people choose to conduct themselves as individuals. I can have relations with and like or even love anyone if we connect on the heart- and head-level -- regardless of externalities. The degree of diversity of peoples we have on Long Island is a BLESSING and an ASSET.”
You see, my friends, fellow readers and contributors to this forum, I can accept and live alongside and like or even love ANYONE (anyone at all) . . . as long as we ALL agree to abide by the same relative standards of public behavior . . . to abide by commonly accepted standards of civility and good behavior/good citizenship. I can love you, I can have you as close and dear friends, I can even marry you and have children with you IF YOU ARE, AT HEART, A CIVILIZED UPSTANDING HUMAN BEING LIKE MYSELF . . . one who, despite whatever your real or perceived station is in life, whatever hand you feel life has dealt you, whatever your different backgrounds or makeups or life experiences, you can find it in yourself to not allow yourself to become a societal miscreant (whether this means a person engaged in crimes against persons or against public or private property, or whether engaged in behaviors which generally affect the quality-of-life of your fellow humans who have to be your neighbors and share the same habitat [the same living &/or working environment] with you).
IN SUMMARY: I can have love in my heart for all my fellow human beings of whatever background or makeup as long as said human beings are CIVILIZED in outlook and behavior patterns. ON THE OTHER HAND, if any persons are going to be of an UNCIVIL OR EVEN CRIMINAL MINDSET (regardless of who you are, whatever your background or makeup is, whatever your race or nationality or ethnicity, whatever your socioeconomic class, whatever your life experiences or formative life events), I have no mercy or affinity for such persons AT ALL and will not tolerate them nor defend them. Such persons are my ENEMIES and should be the enemies of ALL civilized people. I don’t care if you are Causcasian/White like myself, or Black/African-American or Hispanic/Latino or Jew or Gentile or religiously-affiliated or atheist/agnostic/irreligious or East Asian or South Asian or West Asian or whatever else of the wide variety of peoples which make up humanity. To me, ALL of humanity can be broken down into two classes of people: CIVILIZED and UNCIVILIZED.If you are CIVILIZED (as I have defined it here), you are my valued fellow human being whom I am pleased to share this planet and this life with. If you are UNCIVILIZED (as I have defined it here), you are my ENEMY and hopefully the enemy of all other civilized persons everywhere. Plain and simple.
AS TO THE SPECIFIC SUBJECT MATTER PRIMARILY ADDRESSED BY THE PERSON WHO STARTED THIS FORUM POSTING (RE: “ILLEGAL ALIENS” AMONGST US) : In and of itself, I’m not outright opposed to or antagonistic to those individuals or families who are labeled as being “illegal” (i.e., not simply opposed to or antagonistic to them simply because they are living amongst us without U.S. Government authorization). Yes, technically, we should ALL “play by the rules” and formally apply for citizenship like legal immigrants do and go through the process. I **AM**, however, cognizant of the fact that there are peoples fleeing political or social or religious or other types of persecution, or even fleeing execution (for unjust reasons), or fleeing crime-ridden or terrorism-ridden lives back where they came from, or fleeing involuntary servitude or slavery or sexual slavery, or fleeing greatly-reduced or dire economic circumstances, or just trying to make a better life for themselves and/or their families. I am not opposed to anyone who is amongst us who can be said to be here for “legitimate, upstanding and moral reasons”. Everyone is entitled to try to make a better life for themselves with the only life that they are given. No one asked to be born in the first place or had any say over where they were born or whom they were born to and none of us owns the planet or creating anything (like a God would). While I DO recognize political borders and national jurisdictions and why we have them and the need for them (to the degree that we do need them), I don’t see national borders otherwise. I only see fellow human beings who are trying to make a viable life for themselves and/or their families and I can’t morally hold that against them. BUT THEN THAT HAS TO, IN FACT, BE THE REASON WHY THEY ARE HERE AMONGST US (i.e., for legitimate, upstanding and moral reasons).If they are INSTEAD amongst us with the intent to engage in criminal lives or just generally being societal miscreants, then they are NOT welcome by me and are actively opposed by me. In fact, in case you who read this think that I am very liberal, accepting, loving and tolerant (based on what I stated in the 2-3 paragraphs above this paragraph), know that I AM SO . . . as long as you “play by the rules”. If you DON’T “play by the rules” (such as those persons, whether U.S. citizens or whether non-citizens or so-called “illegals” amongst us, who choose to engage in gang activity and other types of violent and criminal behaviors), then I have THE ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE VIEWS toward you (i.e., opposite to my very liberal, accepting, loving and tolerant outlook toward the good-hearted, civilized persons amongst us . . . whether legal citizens or whether not-wholly-legal persons amongst us whom are referred to as “illegals”). You should only hear, at length, my views, on how our society should deal with criminality! You would think that I am well beyond right-wing (to the far right of “right-wing”) . . . thinking that my views are virtually TOTALITARIAN. I believe that all persons engaged in criminal behaviors such as gangbangers, drug smugglers, people smugglers and enslavers, et al should be declared by our government to be ENEMY COMBATANTS and dealt with accordingly. That is, no arrests, no courts, no trials, no prison sentences, no parole, no taking of prisoners like in wartime. We should think of such persons (to borrow from “The Terminator” series of movies) as being "walking, living, breathing, TERMINATORS" amongst usthat can’t be reasoned with or negotiated with or otherwise dealt with in a civil way but rather to just hunt them down, seek them out, and KILL them. We as a society should make a never-ending, relentless battle against all such criminal elements amongst us (whoever you are), forming paramilitary-like “hit squads” to seek out and kill this element. To make it better for ALL of civilized society.
So you see, my friends, fellow readers and contributors to this forum – I can be as loving as a civilized reasoned person can or should be toward my fellow humans of whatever background or makeup who are themselves CIVILIZED . . . or I can be as iron-fisted, severe, and unmerciful as I feel we of civilized society need to be to deal with this criminal and uncivil element amongst us (i.e., the UNCIVILIZED). It doesn’t AT ALL involve race, nationality, ethnicity, creed, socioeconomic class, religion, or anything else of the sort. It is all about BEHAVIOR and BEHAVIOR ONLY.
What comes to my own mind as examples of VERY NICE AND LIVABLE JURISDICTIONS or even UPSCALE OR EXCLUSIVE AREAS on Long Island being situated alongside NOT SO NICE/LIVABLE/SAFE JURISDICTIONS? You can probably all think of some examples. Only sharing here examples of areas that I have personally seen myself (or at least seen beyond a modicum):
DIX HILLS: has BRENTWOOD on its immediate south/southeast, WYANDANCH on its immediate south/southwest, and HUNTINGTON STATION on its near-immediate northwest
HUNTINGTON VILLAGE & areas just north or west of Huntington Village (i.e., Cold Spring Harbor, Lloyd Harbor, Halesite, Huntington Bay): has HUNTINGTON STATION on its immediate south
GREENLAWN: has HUNTINGTON STATION on its immediate west
SOUTH HUNTINGTON: has HUNTINGTON STATION on its immediate north
PORT JEFFERSON: has PORT JEFFERSON STATION on its immediate south (note that I’ve explored Port Jefferson but haven’t really explored Port Jefferson Station separately but have read and heard that it has problems such as those mentioned above)
MASSAPEQUA: has NORTH AMITYVILLE on its immediate east/northeast
WESTBURY VILLAGE & SALISBURY: has NEW CASSEL on its immediate east/north/northeast
GARDEN CITY: has HEMPSTEAD VILLAGE on its immediate south
MY QUESTIONS ARE THE FOLLOWING (DIRECTED TO THOSE PERSONS WHO LIVE OR HAVE LIVED OR WORKED IN THE ABOVE-MENTIONED DESIRABLE AREAS OR OTHERWISE KNOW THEM WELL ENOUGH TO MAKE KNOWLEDGEABLE COMMENTS ABOUT THEM . . . NOT JUST UNINFORMED OPINIONS OR BIASES BUT **KNOWLEDGEABLE** COMMENTS BASED ON FACTS):
6) Is there any telltale pattern over time of MASSAPEQUAresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate NORTH AMITYVILLE (which adjoins you to your immediate east/northeast)?
7) Is there any telltale pattern over time of WESTBURY VILLAGE & SALISBURYresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate NEW CASSEL (which adjoins you to your immediate east/north/northeast)?
8) Is there any telltale pattern over time of GARDEN CITYresidents having any spillover of criminal or uncivil behavior coming from those who populate HEMPSTEAD VILLAGE (which adjoins you to your immediate south)?
Or can you yourselves share OTHER EXAMPLES here that YOU can bring up of VERY NICE AND LIVABLE JURISDICTIONS or even UPSCALE OR EXCLUSIVE AREAS on Long Island being situated alongside NOT SO NICE/LIVABLE/SAFE JURISDICTIONS and then if you experience any spillover of criminal or uncivil behaviors from the population of your immediately-adjoining not-no-nice neighboring jurisdictions?
The area of Massapequa (Zip code) bordering North Amityville, is actually East Massapequa (amityville SD). Most people don't even consider this Massapequa. North Amityville is actually not even that bad (crime-wise). It's dumpy but it's mostly retirees that are dirt-poor, not really a huge ms13 or gang area.
But I can say that the mall in east massapequa (Sunrise Mall) does experience crime emanating from Suffolk mostly. I'm starting to notice that a lot of the "savages" are actually coming from Suffolk. Maybe we should propose building a huge electric fence, cutting off Eastern LI from Nassau county! Here's a recent list of crime at that mall from a police blotter for crime in the pequas:
-On November 30, an Amityville woman was arrested at Wal-Mart at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On November 30, a Deer Park woman was arrested on N. Broadway, North Massapequa and charged with Aggravated Unlicensed Operation of a Vehicle 3rd, Aggravated Unlicensed Operation of a Vehicle 2rd, Operation While Registration Privilege is suspended or revoked and five violations of the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
-On December 2, a Massapequa man was arrested on Jerusalem Avenue, Massapequa and charged with Operating a Motor Vehicle with a Suspended Registration and One Violation of the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
-On December 2, a Bayshore woman was arrested at JC Penney at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 3, a Kings Park woman was arrested at Kohl's, Sunrise Highway, Massapequa and charged with Petit larceny.
-On a December 3, a Massapequa Park woman was arrested on Merrick Road, Massapequa and charged with Falsifying Business Records and Petit Larceny.
-On December 4, a Copiague woman was arrested at JC Penny at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 4, a Freeport man was arrested at Walmart, at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 3, a Hempstead man was arrested at Sears at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 4, a Massapequa man was arrested on Hawthorne Street, Massapequa and charged with Driving While Impaired and Two violations of the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
-On December 4, a Holbrook woman was arrested at JC Penney at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 4, a Massapequa woman was arrested on Sunrise Highway, Massapequa and charged with Driving while Intoxicated and Three Violations of the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
-On December 5, a Lindenhurst woman was arrested at Wal-Mart, at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 5, a Babylon woman was arrested at Hollister, 1 Sunrise Mall, Massapequa and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 6, a West Babylon couple were arrested on Block Blvd, Massapequa and charged with Criminal Trespass 2nd.
While mostly petty crime, and crime is really low in the Pequas, most of it comes from nearby Suffolk towns and other notorious areas in Nassau county. ps- I was joking about the "savages" and the fence!
Another good example of crime spillover is Merrick. Merrick is a very nice area in the Riviera of LI. But it has its fair share of crime mostly coming from Freeport/Roosevelt.
5 burglaries within a week. Everyone there knows where the crime comes from. I'm going to actually back Johninwestbury's idea that "they" really just have no respect for the law in Freeport. This is referring to a huge population of illegals in that town. Was it illegals or thugs from Freeport/Roosevelt that did these 5 break-ins? Maybe, maybe not. But Merrick residents can point to most of the known crime coming from its western neighbors. Crime Report: Five Home Burglaries in a Week - Merrick, NY Patch
Another example of this occurring is in Garden City. Here's what one resident noted about Hempstead.
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Let me ask you this - when exactly has GC, RVC or any other "nice" town shown disrespect to Hempstead Village. We shop at Stop N Shop, Home Depot, Old Navy, etc. And in return we get dead bodies dumped just over the border on Meadow Street, drunk drivers on Clinton Avenue and shoplifters at Lord and Taylor and Sears.
SHow YOURSELVES some respect, and the rest will follow.
But I can say that the mall in east massapequa (Sunrise Mall) does experience crime emanating from Suffolk mostly. I'm starting to notice that a lot of the "savages" are actually coming from Suffolk. Maybe we should propose building a huge electric fence, cutting off Eastern LI from Nassau county! Here's a recent list of crime at that mall from a police blotter for crime in the pequas:
-On November 30, an Amityville woman was arrested at Wal-Mart at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On November 30, a Deer Park woman was arrested on N. Broadway, North Massapequa and charged with Aggravated Unlicensed Operation of a Vehicle 3rd, Aggravated Unlicensed Operation of a Vehicle 2rd, Operation While Registration Privilege is suspended or revoked and five violations of the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
-On December 2, a Massapequa man was arrested on Jerusalem Avenue, Massapequa and charged with Operating a Motor Vehicle with a Suspended Registration and One Violation of the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
-On December 2, a Bayshore woman was arrested at JC Penney at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 3, a Kings Park woman was arrested at Kohl's, Sunrise Highway, Massapequa and charged with Petit larceny.
-On a December 3, a Massapequa Park woman was arrested on Merrick Road, Massapequa and charged with Falsifying Business Records and Petit Larceny.
-On December 4, a Copiague woman was arrested at JC Penny at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 4, a Freeport man was arrested at Walmart, at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 3, a Hempstead man was arrested at Sears at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 4, a Massapequa man was arrested on Hawthorne Street, Massapequa and charged with Driving While Impaired and Two violations of the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
-On December 4, a Holbrook woman was arrested at JC Penney at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 4, a Massapequa woman was arrested on Sunrise Highway, Massapequa and charged with Driving while Intoxicated and Three Violations of the Vehicle and Traffic Law.
-On December 5, a Lindenhurst woman was arrested at Wal-Mart, at the Sunrise Mall and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 5, a Babylon woman was arrested at Hollister, 1 Sunrise Mall, Massapequa and charged with Petit Larceny.
-On December 6, a West Babylon couple were arrested on Block Blvd, Massapequa and charged with Criminal Trespass 2nd.
I don't know if this report was the best example for you to use for your purposes, as there are 4 Massapequa criminals (those not in bold) while the other places have only 1 criminal each.
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