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View Poll Results: SHUT DOWN LI BUS?
Shut it down! We cannot afford it 7 23.33%
Privatize it to non-union third party and make it revenue neutral to the county 13 43.33%
Keep it alive, but raise fares at least $0.50-$1.00 so it builds a surplus and they can pay their own pensions 10 33.33%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 12-14-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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Exclamation Shut down li bus

Long Island is running huge deficits and we simply cannot afford to pay off the MTA bus drivers any longer. We have to cut back on public services due to the excessive pensions, OT and health care benefits from all of the public services we receive and those from the last 40 years. I refuse layout 1 more dollar for any union involved system from here on out. IF people want to use LI bus, it should be kept alive through raising bus fares, not through taxpayer subsidies. Nassau county is already taking on most of the cost with its ~$10 million subsidy and guaranteeing all those pensions/free health care for life/ and Overtime for current and retired MTA workers. Forget that! Nassau shouldn't even be laying out the $10 million, yet Jay Walder and the MTA want to TRIPLE our responsibility towards it?? (To over $30 MILLION!) HELL NO! SHUT IT DOWN!

Look at the chart below (fireman is used as an example, but substitute it with MTA bus driver) .... unless half of Nassau county residents are going to be MTA bus drivers, then taxpayers are unfortunately going to have to make up for the difference to pay the current pensioners and future retirees. We simply cannot afford it. We already have one of the highest Teacher & police pension burdens in the country to deal with, so we need to cutback our QOL somewhere to pay for our spending in the past.

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Old 12-14-2010, 01:00 PM
 
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where's the option "i should've read this first: http://www.nassaucountyny.gov/agenci...StudyFINAL.pdf before making a poll'?
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Old 12-14-2010, 01:58 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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where's the option "i should've read this first: before making a poll'?
I saw the proposals already. When it goes to a deadlock, then they can look at those 3 poll options up there for a logical solution.
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Old 12-14-2010, 02:58 PM
 
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I like how Fox News is using a typical "Pyramid Scheme" diagram to show... nothing related to a pyramid scheme. Talk about lame.
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Old 12-14-2010, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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I like how Fox News is using a typical "Pyramid Scheme" diagram to show... nothing related to a pyramid scheme. Talk about lame.
It's not a pyramid? What would you call it then? As much as I despise their neocon views, Fox news was one of the only stations to cover this and one of the top hits when I looked up "Pension Pyramid Scheme" via google out of 62,000 results and growing. Let me guess, you think Social Security is not at all run like a ponzi scheme either?? David Paterson, Maragos, Levy and pols across the country even admit it's unsustainable. What exactly are they referring to as unsustainable, why did it happen? And why is the MTA drowing in debt and constantly extracting more and more and more $$$ from taxpayers?

Tell the people in Oakland, Philly, St louis and Newark that their crumbling cities had nothing to do with the Union/Pension scheme . Try to call the cops in Oakland or Philly.. unless you are in the process of being raped or dying, you probably will not get an officer to respond. If you don't see how they are pyramid schemes, then I got a golden investment opportunity for you. It's called Madoff inc. Guaranteed 9% returns, you can't lose.

Remember this quote and refer back to it when the party ends:
"Socialism works until you run out of other people's money"

Yonkers is experiencing this as well. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/21/bu...21pension.html
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Some hard-pressed governments are belatedly coming to the grim conclusion that they have promised workers more than their sagging economies can deliver.
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In Yonkers, contributions to the state pension fund keep rising. This year, to save money, the city is proposing to eliminate about 90 police jobs, out of 640. The savings, though, will not even cover the extra cost of the overtime-enriched pensions. Meanwhile, the police say the layoffs will make the situation worse, because shrinking the police force means those who remain must work even more overtime, driving up pension costs even more.

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Old 12-14-2010, 06:00 PM
 
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Lets extend it to Sufflok also. Anyone tired of seeing busses with 3 passengers, what a waste of fuel. Ever go east on oak st thru amityville at 5pm?, there is a stop just east of broadway. When the bus stops there it blocks oak st to the point of backup onto broadway, Same thing happens just east of great neck rd in copiague.

It makes a 5 minute drive take 10 for 2 people to get off the bus. What do these new busses cost?, forget the salarys and pensions. We all get to pay addtional taxes for these under utilized traffic blocking monsters.

Laws do no apply to them either, they run with 4 way flashers on so they have no turn signals. You never know when 1 will pull away from the stop because of this.

By By Busses
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:55 PM
 
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What wasn't mentioned here is that Nassau County OWNS LI BUS. The MTA runs the system for the county and pays the majority of the cost to run it. It's not just the pensions that are causing the problem. Buses need maintenance, and all that's entailed to maintain them (garages,lots,spare parts, etc) cost lots of money. Just remember, if the MTA stopped subsidizing LI bus, there'd be NO buses running because like you said, "we can't afford it". This really isn't an MTA problem as you say...it's a Nassau County problem
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:07 PM
Status: "Wasting Away in El Wastebury" (set 10 days ago)
 
Location: Westbury,NY
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You left one out. Keep fares and service. The most logical option.
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:13 PM
Status: "Wasting Away in El Wastebury" (set 10 days ago)
 
Location: Westbury,NY
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If you shut the buses down, you destroy Nassau's economy. NCC students wont be able to get to school (a vast majority of them use LI Bus), stores wont be able to get workers, many businesses will shut down. A vast amount of folks also come over from here from Queens to shop and use LIB. So bye bye tax revenue. Many ppl wont be able to get to work and lose their jobs and show up at the welfare office. And the rich snobs who hire the day laborers to clean their lawns wont be happy either when they'll have to mow their own lawn.
I got a newsflash for ya, the roads are clogged to capacity, and we dont have room for more cars. We need more buses and more people riding them. I see plenty of ppl who can afford lxury SUV's at 10mpg so a small increase in the gas tax could easily pay for LIB. Bus drivers have the responsibility of 40 or more people and deserve to paid well.
Amazing how some folks can be so short sighted.
But not suprising.
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Old 12-14-2010, 07:19 PM
Status: "Wasting Away in El Wastebury" (set 10 days ago)
 
Location: Westbury,NY
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Lets extend it to Sufflok also. Anyone tired of seeing busses with 3 passengers, what a waste of fuel. Ever go east on oak st thru amityville at 5pm?, there is a stop just east of broadway. When the bus stops there it blocks oak st to the point of backup onto broadway, Same thing happens just east of great neck rd in copiague.

It makes a 5 minute drive take 10 for 2 people to get off the bus. What do these new busses cost?, forget the salarys and pensions. We all get to pay addtional taxes for these under utilized traffic blocking monsters.

Laws do no apply to them either, they run with 4 way flashers on so they have no turn signals. You never know when 1 will pull away from the stop because of this.

By By Busses
Bye Bye buses, say hello to more car theft as people desperate for a way around start taking desperate measures. Buses should be mandated federally. Its amazing the primitive thinking that still exists in this country.
We cant keep building roads. Buses are empty because they are scheduled so its inconvienent for people.
Have them connect with LIRR and more ppl will take them.
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