Discussion thread for LI Civil Service pensions and salaries (Buffalo: low crime, median income)

[truthone]

Originally Posted by dman72

Police cost much more per head than any teacher.

Going after the teachers first because they are the most numerous is very convenient for you since you are a cop.

It's like saying you shouldn't stop the abuses by attorneys working for the school districts in nassau because in the grand scheme of things they don't cost the taxpayer as much as 100 teachers. Very convenient for the crooked attorney.

You should start with the biggest comps first. Police brass, school administrators, cops, teachers, in that order. All of their comp needs to come down a certain pecentage (and if it all did the taxpayer would see a real savings, but there is a question of degree.

Mr Jealous,
NIFA is in. Aren't you happy. I am. Now Mangano is a puppet. No, I did not say go after them because they are more numerous. You are complaining about your tax bill. If our salary was lowered to what you think it should be you might pay $75 less tax. But lowering teacher salaries ( even though I think they get what they deserve to) would lower tax substantially The cops cost less than you think. So are you worried about how much tax you pay or how much a cop makes. This shows you how much you know of the dept. The police brass make no night diff, no OT and have to work as much as needed with no OT pay. Sgts make more than most police brass. So cutting their salary will do nothing and will never happen because of how little they make. As a matter of fact a NYPD DI and INP makes the same as NCPD DI and Insp. So Mr Jealous what are you really all about??????

[NYEconomist]

Originally Posted by truthone

Mr Jealous,
NIFA is in. Aren't you happy. I am. Now Mangano is a puppet. No, I did not say go after them because they are more numerous. You are complaining about your tax bill. If our salary was lowered to what you think it should be you might pay $75 less tax. But lowering teacher salaries ( even though I think they get what they deserve to) would lower tax substantially The cops cost less than you think. So are you worried about how much tax you pay or how much a cop makes. This shows you how much you know of the dept. The police brass make no night diff, no OT and have to work as much as needed with no OT pay. Sgts make more than most police brass. So cutting their salary will do nothing and will never happen because of how little they make. As a matter of fact a NYPD DI and INP makes the same as NCPD DI and Insp. So Mr Jealous what are you really all about??????

Considering NIFA's reputation in Buffalo, yeah a lot people will be happy, because they will stop every little public union hand out. They have the power to correct things that Mangano can't.

[truthone]

Originally Posted by tomonlineli

Really? Is this a serious post? I hope your not a police officer, because you're not helping their cause by posting here. And yes, my issue with police salaries from the two years I spent in county prison, the 3 DWIs I have, and the fact that I make only $15,000 per year. It's definitely not the fact that my police and school taxes on my property and business could have paid a nice salary to hire another employee for my business. Taking one person off the roles of unemployment and giving them a solid job.

I love the fact that police backers point their fingers at the teachers and the teachers point their fingers at the cops. They're in the same boat and could all deal with a nice 40% pay and benefits cut. Plus, the fact that police don't make up the bulk of our tax budget doesn't mean that bloated salaries don't matter. That's the same thing the CEO of AIG said when he was approached about his bloated salary.

I think the NYC pay scale for police is fair, maybe a little high towards the high end, but comparing a NYC police officer to Suffolk PD is not a serious debate.

If you want to hire another employee then do something with your buisness to make the money. Don't play Obamanomics that a cop has to lower his salary to help yours. I am not pointing my fingers at teachers. You guys are all complaining how much tax you pay. There are alot more teachers than cops so do the math. And by the way if you make a decent salary you will pay the same tax in NYC as on LI. There is a 2.5 NYC income tax in addition to the rising NYC property taxes. And what is this about NYC PO compared to Suffolk PO. More than half the Suffolk POs were NYPD POs and there are plenty of bad neighborhoods in Suffolk where Suffolk PD is riding alone. And what NYC PO makes to much for you. The cop making 90 grand w some OT or the Chief w 40 yrs on making 160 grand. You guys are on one jealous trip. LOL. I really feel sorry for the career choices you made. Guess you thought you were gonna be rich having your own buisness. Some do, some don't. Guess you one of the don'ts. By the way I have to report more buisness owners to Consumer Affairs than I like because of the unfair trade practices by many contracters, car dealers, etc on Long Island. Do Consumer Affair employees make to much also?

[Pequaman]

Originally Posted by truthone

You are complaining about your tax bill. If our salary was lowered to what you think it should be you might pay $75 less tax. But lowering teacher salaries ( even though I think they get what they deserve to) would lower tax substantially The cops cost less than you think.

Really? They cost less than we think? That (SOP- "LOOK it's the teachers, the cops cost less!) might have worked before the data was public and easily accessible. The teachers pay is not within County control, fyi.

Nassau County
Median household income (dollars) $92,450
Median earnings for male full-time, year-round workers (dollars) $65,663
Median earnings for female full-time, year-round workers (dollars) $49,749

Nassau County (NCPD) Police & Fire
Median Pay (2010) $129,213.34
Avg of Top 1000 Pay (Top 40% Bracket) $157,089.77
Avg of Top 250 Pay (Top 10% Bracket) $179,782.06

source: seethroughny

So yeah, $130k median pay for NCPD is 2x the median income for full time male workers living in Nassau County. And it is 2.6x the median income for full time female workers. Plus all the amazing benefits given to county workers, like defined-benefit pension plans, unrealistic raises 3x the rate of the private sector (the rest of us), education credits, no-layoff provisions, paying nothing into their health care plans, and oodles of other spectacular benefits.

Also add in Nassau County's $64 Million obligation to Police & Fire Pensions via NYS pension system, and they are costing us more (relative to services received) than any other special interest group out there.

[NYEconomist]

Originally Posted by truthone

If you want to hire another employee then do something with your buisness to make the money. Don't play Obamanomics that a cop has to lower his salary to help yours. I am not pointing my fingers at teachers. You guys are all complaining how much tax you pay. There are alot more teachers than cops so do the math. And by the way if you make a decent salary you will pay the same tax in NYC as on LI. There is a 2.5 NYC income tax in addition to the rising NYC property taxes. And what is this about NYC PO compared to Suffolk PO. More than half the Suffolk POs were NYPD POs and there are plenty of bad neighborhoods in Suffolk where Suffolk PD is riding alone. And what NYC PO makes to much for you. The cop making 90 grand w some OT or the Chief w 40 yrs on making 160 grand. You guys are on one jealous trip. LOL. I really feel sorry for the career choices you made. Guess you thought you were gonna be rich having your own buisness. Some do, some don't. Guess you one of the don'ts. By the way I have to report more buisness owners to Consumer Affairs than I like because of the unfair trade practices by many contracters, car dealers, etc on Long Island. Do Consumer Affair employees make to much also?

Ok, this one I'm going to break down in order to answer all of your uhumm... questions.

1. Yes, I will do something with my business to make the money. I just got done donating money to campaigns that said they would curtail the out of control salaries to low-mid skill level public employees.

1a.

Don't play Obamanomics that a cop has to lower his salary to help yours.

Yeah, stupid math always getting in the way of shaky opinions. Plus, I always love when people knock Democrats like Obama when they are on the sides of unions and public employees. If you believe in unionism and non-market driven wages then you are a leftist, socialist, democrat. You really shouldn't knock him or his party, they're the reason you're overpaid.


2. What's NYC's tax rate got to do with it? Nothing! Stay on topic.

3. Any police officer making over the median state average for a HS graduate is making too much, since that is the education level it takes to qualify for the position. 2006-2008 the median HS graduate income for NY was about 26k. So, there you go.

4. Suffolk/Nassau have some of the lowest crime rates of major metropolitan areas in the country. So, statistically it's an easy job for a police officer compared to other areas.

5.

I really feel sorry for the career choices you made.

Don't feel bad, I made the cognitive decision to achieve more with my life and be a productive member of our capitalist society. I don't have a problem with a system that rewards people who are smarter and work harder, I just have a pet peeve when that system breaks down. Plus, I made more then the median cop before I was in my 30s, so I think I made the right career choice

6.

Guess you one of the don'ts.

Yes, I guess, based on my position that teachers/cops are overpaid, I must somehow not be successful. Actually, I work with a lot of teachers and cops, there the ones that can afford me on Long Island. I have nothing against the people, I have a problem with the institutions and the system. Can you say the same? Since, you obviously have a problem with people who say police are overpaid.

7.

By the way I have to report more buisness owners to Consumer Affairs than I like because of the unfair trade practices by many contracters, car dealers, etc on Long Island.

Just an honest question? As a child did you have the unquenchable need to tell your parents/teachers/adults about the things other people did that were in violation of any rule, no matter how small and how much it wasn't your business?

[Yzette]

Originally Posted by tomonlineli

3. Any police officer making over the median state average for a HS graduate is making too much, since that is the education level it takes to qualify for the position. 2006-2008 the median HS graduate income for NY was about 26k. So, there you go.

6. Yes, I guess, based on my position that teachers/cops are overpaid, I must somehow not be successful. Actually, I work with a lot of teachers and cops, there the ones that can afford me on Long Island.

So... You would like your clients to make so little that they can no longer afford you?

[NYEconomist]

Originally Posted by Avienne

So... You would like your clients to make so little that they can no longer afford you?

That's a sacrifice I'd be willing to make, yes.

[Yzette]

Originally Posted by tomonlineli

That's a sacrifice I'd be willing to make, yes.

Sounds like you're cutting off your nose to spite your face, but to each his or her own.

[Goodnight]

Originally Posted by truthone

Mr Jealous,
NIFA is in. Aren't you happy. I am. Now Mangano is a puppet. No, I did not say go after them because they are more numerous. You are complaining about your tax bill. If our salary was lowered to what you think it should be you might pay $75 less tax. But lowering teacher salaries ( even though I think they get what they deserve to) would lower tax substantially The cops cost less than you think. So are you worried about how much tax you pay or how much a cop makes. This shows you how much you know of the dept. The police brass make no night diff, no OT and have to work as much as needed with no OT pay. Sgts make more than most police brass. So cutting their salary will do nothing and will never happen because of how little they make. As a matter of fact a NYPD DI and INP makes the same as NCPD DI and Insp. So Mr Jealous what are you really all about??????

Only $75, what about last year and the year before.... No one would take issue if the salaries were close to resonable but they are far from that. Would you mind paying a few more dollars for your librarian if they made $300K, I don't think so. It's not just about the money it's the principal.

[LongIslandCitizen]

Originally Posted by tomonlineli

4. Suffolk/Nassau have some of the lowest crime rates of major metropolitan areas in the country.

And there you go. Justification for the compensation our finest earn to defend our counties.

Looks like after all this envious gibberish you handed the winning argument over on a silver platter. Good job.

sometimes even the most ignorant have a moment of enlightenment.