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Old 04-19-2011, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Stony Brook
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Wow, they might as well put a gun to your head. Outrageous!
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Old 04-19-2011, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Suffolk
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Just a point of info here guys, some of you are using the term "contingency funds" when you mean to say "reserve funds". There is no such thing as contingency funds that are being withheld from taxpayers!
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:19 AM
 
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Middle Country plans the same thing. 6% tax increase if the budget is passed. 21% increase (!) if the budget fails. I wonder if they would really increase taxes by 21%.
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:39 AM
 
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It's a scam - Vote No. Then throw da bums outta office. One time fixes do nothing to ensure viability of the budget. I guess the BOE members received an A in Fudging Math/Phony Number Exercises 101.

This is completely incorrect. School boards have a legitimate reason for proposing a budget below contingency levels. If a budget is passed by the voters, the board has complete control over how the money is allocated (materials, buildings, courses etc). If a budget fails and the state mandated contingency plan is put in place, the district/board must follow a very rigid lock-step formula that will likely fail to meet the community's needs. For example, under contingency a board may wish to use the money add more classes and lower class size, but instead will have to spend it on upgrading building maintenance.

The reason they put up a lower than contingency budget is so they can be sure it passes. In fact, you get more bang for your buck out of a smaller passed budget than a larger contigency budget.

Sadly, many taxpayers will vote themselves a higher than necessary tax increase when they vote "No" this year because of the misinformation that is perpetuated out there. No doubt after they foolishly do this they will be back here to complain about how their money was wasted by others.
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Old 04-20-2011, 07:46 AM
 
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This is completely incorrect. School boards have a legitimate reason for proposing a budget below contingency levels. If a budget is passed by the voters, the board has complete control over how the money is allocated (materials, buildings, courses etc). If a budget fails and the state mandated contingency plan is put in place, the district/board must follow a very rigid lock-step formula that will likely fail to meet the community's needs. For example, under contingency a board may wish to use the money add more classes and lower class size, but instead will have to spend it on upgrading building maintenance.
I was under the assumption that under the contingency budget, only necessary repairs would be made..... As far as I am concerned, this is a ploy.... Never have I seen the contingency budget at these levels..... The BOW knows what is coming and this is how they prepare for it... scare tactics
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Old 04-20-2011, 09:22 AM
 
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This is completely incorrect. School boards have a legitimate reason for proposing a budget below contingency levels. If a budget is passed by the voters, the board has complete control over how the money is allocated (materials, buildings, courses etc). If a budget fails and the state mandated contingency plan is put in place, the district/board must follow a very rigid lock-step formula that will likely fail to meet the community's needs. For example, under contingency a board may wish to use the money add more classes and lower class size, but instead will have to spend it on upgrading building maintenance.

The reason they put up a lower than contingency budget is so they can be sure it passes. In fact, you get more bang for your buck out of a smaller passed budget than a larger contigency budget.

Sadly, many taxpayers will vote themselves a higher than necessary tax increase when they vote "No" this year because of the misinformation that is perpetuated out there. No doubt after they foolishly do this they will be back here to complain about how their money was wasted by others.
Even if you interpreted section 2023 of NY Ed. Law with an eye to maximizing the contingency budget it is very difficult to see how it could be dramatically higher than a proposed budget.

The BOE's on LI that are pulling this stunt are showing the utmost disrespect for their neighbors.

To those who want to know more about 2023 go here: http://law.onecle.com/new-york/education/EDN02023_2023.html

Print it out and take it to your BOE meeting and have them explain which clauses allow them to allocate the funds providing for a contingency budget that would increase taxes by 20%. I will guarantee they can't.
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Old 04-20-2011, 02:38 PM
 
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I was under the assumption that under the contingency budget, only necessary repairs would be made..... As far as I am concerned, this is a ploy.... Never have I seen the contingency budget at these levels..... The BOW knows what is coming and this is how they prepare for it... scare tactics
It's just a neat little way for the schools to make their extortion and forced taxation totally "legal." They had these laws/regulations pushed forth by their lobbyist groups years ago, so that they could use them as leverage to push forth their agenda. What should happen is that if the budget is not passed then all teacher's salaries/wages are frozen at current levels until a resolution is found. However, they lobbied for such anti-union rules to be pushed aside.

What you can do is call your legislative officials and voice your displeasure and tell them that your vote is contingent on their ability to make the system benefit the taxpayers of Long Island. Donations usually help in getting your calls answered
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Old 04-20-2011, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Suffolk
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Even if you interpreted section 2023 of NY Ed. Law with an eye to maximizing the contingency budget it is very difficult to see how it could be dramatically higher than a proposed budget.

The BOE's on LI that are pulling this stunt are showing the utmost disrespect for their neighbors.

To those who want to know more about 2023 go here: http://law.onecle.com/new-york/education/EDN02023_2023.html

Print it out and take it to your BOE meeting and have them explain which clauses allow them to allocate the funds providing for a contingency budget that would increase taxes by 20%. I will guarantee they can't.
There is a contingency budget worksheet that you can get from your district's business supt. When filled out with the corresponding figures, you will see how each of the three areas involved in contingency budgeting Administrative, Capital and Program) are arrived at. It might be helpful to answering your questions.
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Old 04-20-2011, 05:57 PM
 
Location: Suffolk
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Budgeting Handbook:Educational Management:NYSED

This takes you to a Budgeting Handbook. If you go to the top of the page, you can click back to the Index and find lots of topics on budgets, there is even a copy of that Contingency Budget Worksheet I spoke of in another thread.

Worth your while to go here and read up!
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Old 04-23-2011, 10:22 PM
 
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Default Out debt keeps increasing

New york debt per citizen stands at $15217 in addition to federal debt of $51865. Unfunded liability per taxpayer more than a million. People before us has put us in this situation and now we have to make the choice take more debt and pass it on to next generation or say NO more of the BS.

Long Island and New York Property Taxes, enough said

Check New York debt here

Long Island and New York Property Taxes, enough said

See why even if you vote NO in your budget you still gets screwed. We need new laws and tax reforms.

Long Island and New York Property Taxes, enough said: Budget Vote and What is Contingency Budget

Check public sector salaries

Long Island and New York Property Taxes, enough said: View from the TOP - Transparency at it's best
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