Why do people leave Long Island & then comment how the grass is so much greener? (New York: condos, how much)

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by TJLamb0518

We should...ahem...squash these rumors now.

Mash them with butter and cinnamon and a little sugar.

[hotkarl]

The grass is greener if you plan wisely. And land a decent, secure job where ever it is you go.
Some people make the mistake of buying more than they can safely afford(not that they don't already do that on LI) but I'm saying they'll take the net proceeds of their LI home which will go a long way in some areas of the country and spend nearly all of it on some huge house because the price is more affordable, which is fine if you have a decent and SECURE job when you move. Problem I've seen with people I know that have left is that they blow everything on some fancy schmancy house, and have nothing left over for lean times, like when they unfortunately end up unemployed in their new promiseland. That's mainly what I've encountered with my friends/family who moved out of state. And then, good luck trying to move back. Like Daffy Duck said " I can only do this trick once".

I strongly suggest after you've done all of your "research" and multiple visits/stays in your potential new hometown, that you rent before you buy to be absolutely positively sure you didn't just make the biggest mistake of your life. And don't sell your NY home until you know for sure either, because it is very difficult to recoup your NY money on your somewhere else home and then come back to NY and think you will be able to afford to buy again.

[I_Love_LI_but]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

The grass is greener if you plan wisely. And land a decent, secure job where ever it is you go.
Some people make the mistake of buying more than they can safely afford(not that they don't already do that on LI) but I'm saying they'll take the net proceeds of their LI home which will go a long way in some areas of the country and spend nearly all of it on some huge house because the price is more affordable, which is fine if you have a decent and SECURE job when you move. Problem I've seen with people I know that have left is that they blow everything on some fancy schmancy house, and have nothing left over for lean times, like when they unfortunately end up unemployed in their new promiseland. That's mainly what I've encountered with my friends/family who moved out of state. And then, good luck trying to move back. Like Daffy Duck said " I can only do this trick once".

I strongly suggest after you've done all of your "research" and multiple visits/stays in your potential new hometown, that you rent before you buy to be absolutely positively sure you didn't just make the biggest mistake of your life. And don't sell your NY home until you know for sure either, because it is very difficult to recoup your NY money on your somewhere else home and then come back to NY and think you will be able to afford to buy again.

I agree 100%. I've seen it too ... people too focused on "cheap" (compared to LI but not cheap in the new area by any means) McMansions and not focused enough on working and saving. Then disaster hits and who are they looking to? The friends and relatives on LI (who have good hearts and will stretch to help if they can).

Plus any quotes of Daffy Duck are just awesome.

[majortom1981]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

The grass is greener if you plan wisely. And land a decent, secure job where ever it is you go.
Some people make the mistake of buying more than they can safely afford(not that they don't already do that on LI) but I'm saying they'll take the net proceeds of their LI home which will go a long way in some areas of the country and spend nearly all of it on some huge house because the price is more affordable, which is fine if you have a decent and SECURE job when you move. Problem I've seen with people I know that have left is that they blow everything on some fancy schmancy house, and have nothing left over for lean times, like when they unfortunately end up unemployed in their new promiseland. That's mainly what I've encountered with my friends/family who moved out of state. And then, good luck trying to move back. Like Daffy Duck said " I can only do this trick once".

I strongly suggest after you've done all of your "research" and multiple visits/stays in your potential new hometown, that you rent before you buy to be absolutely positively sure you didn't just make the biggest mistake of your life. And don't sell your NY home until you know for sure either, because it is very difficult to recoup your NY money on your somewhere else home and then come back to NY and think you will be able to afford to buy again.

Also They go and move to another state stating my commute on li stinks and eventually get a job with a longer commute then when they left long island.

[Pequaman]

Originally Posted by hotkarl

The grass is greener if you plan wisely. And land a decent, secure job where ever it is you go.
Some people make the mistake of buying more than they can safely afford(not that they don't already do that on LI) but I'm saying they'll take the net proceeds of their LI home which will go a long way in some areas of the country and spend nearly all of it on some huge house because the price is more affordable, which is fine if you have a decent and SECURE job when you move. Problem I've seen with people I know that have left is that they blow everything on some fancy schmancy house, and have nothing left over for lean times, like when they unfortunately end up unemployed in their new promiseland. That's mainly what I've encountered with my friends/family who moved out of state. And then, good luck trying to move back. Like Daffy Duck said " I can only do this trick once".

I strongly suggest after you've done all of your "research" and multiple visits/stays in your potential new hometown, that you rent before you buy to be absolutely positively sure you didn't just make the biggest mistake of your life. And don't sell your NY home until you know for sure either, because it is very difficult to recoup your NY money on your somewhere else home and then come back to NY and think you will be able to afford to buy again.

The most rational reply yet, very level-headed post and so true! The best is when they think they got out before the 20% crash...only to lose 50% on the cheap new mcmansion they bought.

Originally Posted by TJLamb0518

Man, I'm giving out so much rep love today, it seems the OP is the only one that will be left.

Okay, half a dozen posts in this thread and nothing of substance. I guess you just want attention, so here it is.
I think I know Crooks and I doubt he thinks I "copied" his post, I mean seriously?
Someone copied K40's original Walterlite gig here though> Would a dirty bomb's radiation from Manhattan(God forbid) be substantial enough

Also, what's your vote? and I know you have a 30 page intense debate going on with pequadude over fiberoptics on the Cablevision/Fios thread, but to be frank, I, PequaMAN don't care about random rep pts. When intelligent posters rep with a note, that is a different story and I like that.

ps- Got a bunch of reps already for my Original Post.

Originally Posted by Redd Jedd

Your answers to your questions are wrong for so many people.

Taxes (State/local/school) - you are being overcharged for the services received in return. I could afford them as I brought a house before prices exploded, so my mortgage payment was low. But if I feel I am being over charged for a service, like Cablevision for example, I cancel it. For me, the services vs. the taxes I was paying for in Massapequa Parks were not worth it.

There is nothing I could do in my everyday life on LI that I can’t do in any other major suburban area, except go to an LI beach or take the train into Manhattan. Since I rarely did either (except take the train every day into Manhattan for work), no loss for me there. Paying $2K year in property taxes vs. $10K per year saves me $80K over 10 years. This has nothing to do with being able to afford it and all to do with not wanting to waste money.

Leaving "for your kids" does not equal “can’t pay the high taxes” and has nothing to with potential based on attending an LI schools vs. one somewhere else. That is an opinion not based on facts. Anyway, deciding what’s best for kids is a parent’s job. It has nothing to do with guilt, selfishness or the old horse of living within your means.

Potential based on the LI school system? Which one? Depends on what district you live in. Is there some study you can point to that shows LI educated kids have significantly more potential? Some LI schools are good, but LI isn’t the only place with good schools. Again, last time I looked, LI educated people are not running every single large company in the country. Somehow average folk in the rest of the country manage to make themselves living without attending LI schools. Hard to imagine, but there are good schools in Carolinas, GA, Florida, VA, etc… (PS You should take a look at the stats for Massapequa High, good, but not great).

The statement “Anyone that denies this is simply lying to themselves” shows that you need to broaden your horizons a little.

As to the argument about salary, your data is old. Don’t confuse household income for mean salaries. Yes, the median household income for a place like Massapequa is about $100K, but the mean salary for a job on LI is about $50K. So what does that mean? Either 2 wage earners, or a good paying job in NYC. There are plenty of places in the US that have the same or higher median salaries.
And the “what if…” scenarios where taxes go up in 10 or 15 years in the “new place”? Well, taxes will most likely still less than they will be on LI. Even if they still get to LI levels in 15 years, well, that’s 15 years of taxes that aren’t at the level of today’s LI taxes.

Eesh, I think you're making this too much about yourself. You answered the question honestly within the first 100 words. The next 400 or so were really just way on the defensive. Again, this is not trying to be offensive to anyone. I'm really curious.
I won't get too into Pequa because this is more LI specific, but you said Massapequa Schools are not great, just good. Compared to what?
Wantagh? Ward Melville? North Shore? Calhoun?

The rest of the country?

Where would a 99.9% graduation rate (98% regents) come in on this chart?
High School Graduation Rates in the United States | Table 2 <--


No one claimed were Jericho or Garden City, but were up there...Nearly ALL of LI Schools would be top 1% in any state. The numbers don't lie>
https://www.nystart.gov/publicweb/Home.do?year=2010 (broken link)

Massapequa Union Free School District - New York State Test Scores - The New York Times

Long Island Schools - Test scores, school programs - Newsday.com

https://www.nystart.gov/publicweb-rc...0523030000.pdf

https://www.nystart.gov/publicweb-rc...0523030000.pdf

[ABACAB]

I find those who left LI, yet do nothing but bash LI on this forum and brag about what they have to be especially pathetic. It's safe to say they have insecurity issues with their new neighborhoods, as they should since the biggest offenders live in Midnowheresville, Nowhere in a suburb of one of the dumpiest, crime-ridden "cities" in the United States. Yes, Richmond VA is a boring, crime infested dump!

[MikeyKid]

Originally Posted by Pequaman

I must've hit a nerve.

Listen Kid, I'm probably the one on the other end of all your losing trades. Did you find what you were "pining for" wherever you are now?

ps- Remember what board we're on.

I've posted here on these boards consistently since I joined Nov 2007... I lurked here reading for months before that. I know what board we're on. I know that you created your ID in Aug 2010 and could be sharing an IP with anyone. The "nerve" you struck was posting as if you knew what you were talking about and the "let's be honest" thing about raising kids on LI today.

This thread and your attitude is classic Narcissism... You need to come to grips with that and take a self evaluation. Particularly to back up this statement with some facts.

Let's be honest --all joking aside-- your kids will have significantly more potential to succeed in life being taught & raised in the LI School system, than they would almost anywhere else. Not even factoring in Higher Education in the North-East is pretty much the best in the world. Schools throughout most of the country are an absolute mess, especially in the favorite LI fleeing states like Carolinas, GA, Florida, VA.

"succeed in life"... I mean seriously, is that income? what? Because then most "successful" people I know from growing up on LI have CIVIL SERVICE jobs. That's "success"? Maybe you're using American Idol as the gauge?

"Higher Education"... This one you're joking with - you have to be... you're going to compare LI colleges to the universities in the states you list? That's an utter joke. SUNY is a joke in general compared to other State universities.

"an absolute mess"... What are you basing this on? You post scores and grad rates? How does that translate? You're making a ridiculous assumption and don't know what you're talking about IMO. This is the Narcissism to the utmost - you really believe most of the "successful" people only come from LI schools?

You blind yourself to what's on the decline and what's on the upswing nationally and in typical LI fashion you ignore the world over the GW. You also pretend it's not just plain ugly in much of Eastern Suffolk. Like that's not LI or something and those faux marble pillars in Pequa make it "niiiiiiceee"... It's really rather sad.

Either way, I have many family and friends on LI and will continue to post here just as I did before I moved. If you don't like it, tough. Your petty little insults and quips won't stop that. We can debate what you get for your tax dollars if you want... that would be real fun.

[dman72]

Originally Posted by ABACAB

I find those who left LI, yet do nothing but bash LI on this forum and brag about what they have to be especially pathetic. It's safe to say they have insecurity issues with their new neighborhoods, as they should since the biggest offenders live in Midnowheresville, Nowhere in a suburb of one of the dumpiest, crime-ridden "cities" in the United States. Yes, Richmond VA is a boring, crime infested dump!

I think I know who you're talking about.

Actually, I have a friend who lives right near the person you are referring to. I love the guy, but I just don't get it. He and his family want everyone down there to know they are NYers, they went from living in a basement apartment in Nassau to a ridiculously huge Mcmansion in Virginia, and now money is tight because they've gone in over their heads. It doesn't make sense to me.

[Nascar99]

LI is Just for Shoppers the Pepole who Miss it are Mostly Woman Who Miss the Malls Being 2 miles apart

When were they live now their 40 miles apart

[ClarkStreetKid]

Originally Posted by ABACAB

I find those who left LI, yet do nothing but bash LI on this forum and brag about what they have to be especially pathetic. It's safe to say they have insecurity issues with their new neighborhoods, as they should since the biggest offenders live in Midnowheresville, Nowhere in a suburb of one of the dumpiest, crime-ridden "cities" in the United States. Yes, Richmond VA is a boring, crime infested dump!

Well said!!! Richmond is a horror show and suffers being centrally located to DC, The Blue Ridge and VB. And the suburbs are horrible with all those nice houses, Five Guys, decent roads and upscale shopping malls!!! Totally Nowwheresville.

dman72,
I know too many folks down here who did what your friend did, it was an easy trap for many during the good times. I never understood why when given the choice of getting ahead by reducing COL, or buying more than you need or can afford, folks would go with the second option. But I will say at least they were given the option.