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Old 06-18-2011, 12:36 PM
 
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That's kinda like hoping that China doesn't end it's institutionalized human rights abuses so that we can continue to purchase their goods cheaply.

I'd rather pay a little extra at Target and get cashiers who make a livable wage and get decent health benefits. Maybe then they'd have individuals of a higher calibre taking those jobs and valuing them enough to treat me, the customer, with a little more courtesy and care. My big beef these days, is that corporations pay workers at many retail and food outlets so little that the workers don't care about losing those jobs; subsequently, we have to deal with no eye contact, no smile, no thank yous, no please, and an occasional attitude.
Which is why I don't shop at Target.
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Old 06-18-2011, 12:39 PM
 
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Thankfully, the employees watched the video and learned that being in a union is not a benefit to anyone other than fat-cat mobbed-up union bosses.
Yes, my friend, why not burn that video and give it to your friendly neighborhood Nassau County Police Officer. Tell him he doesn't need a union anymore because Target employees don't have one and they're happy so why should he waste money out of his paycheck in the form of union dues. Tell him that the wisdom and benevolence of the county executive (you know, the one who said Nassau didn't need NIFA and the one who wanted a casino within blocks of residential neighborhoods and the one who cut 130 low paid civil service positions while creating a $105k nonsensical position for Al D'Amato's daughter) will assure that he have good pay and benefits.

See if he agrees with you. If he continues to doubt, show him that Target video again, ROFLMAO!
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Old 06-18-2011, 01:01 PM
 
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That's kinda like hoping that China doesn't end it's institutionalized human rights abuses so that we can continue to purchase their goods cheaply.

I'd rather pay a little extra at Target and get cashiers who make a livable wage and get decent health benefits. Maybe then they'd have individuals of a higher calibre taking those jobs and valuing them enough to treat me, the customer, with a little more courtesy and care. My big beef these days, is that corporations pay workers at many retail and food outlets so little that the workers don't care about losing those jobs; subsequently, we have to deal with no eye contact, no smile, no thank yous, no please, and an occasional attitude.
Agreed. Look at Costco for a good example of unions done right. Somehow their employees earn a good wage with benefits and job security and the company is still more profitable than Sam's Club where they treat employees like dirt.

I know it's the conservative dumsh*t position of the month to hate on unions but conditions for unionized workers are better in every measurable way. As an employee there's no reason not to unionize.
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Old 06-18-2011, 01:04 PM
 
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Apparently they voted it down, as much as I support unions, they got their opportunity and voted their own conciense. That's Democracy
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Old 06-18-2011, 01:05 PM
 
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Yes, my friend, why not burn that video and give it to your friendly neighborhood Nassau County Police Officer.
The conservative Moderator cut: language removed cognitive dissonance is amazing - go to any thread on this forum about teachers or cops and they're bitching about how the unions are draining us dry to throw gobs of money at their members. In here however the unions don't do the employees any good.

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Old 06-18-2011, 01:08 PM
 
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The conservative cognitive dissonance is amazing - go to any thread on this forum about teachers or cops and they're bitching about how the unions are draining us dry to throw gobs of money at their members. In here however the unions don't do the employees any good.
Good catch.

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Old 06-18-2011, 01:14 PM
 
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Agreed. Look at Costco for a good example of unions done right. Somehow their employees earn a good wage with benefits and job security and the company is still more profitable than Sam's Club where they treat employees like dirt.

I know it's the conservative position of the month to hate on unions but conditions for unionized workers are better in every measurable way. As an employee there's no reason not to unionize.
Unions are not good for all types of professions, but the Costco analogy is a good one.

Is BJ's unionized?

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Old 06-18-2011, 01:37 PM
 
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" we have to deal with no eye contact, no smile, no thank yous, no please, and an occasional attitude." Well I guess that could work both ways Woody only add to it rudeness,out of control children,entitlement and ignorant cellphone users.
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Old 06-18-2011, 03:27 PM
 
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Agreed. Look at Costco for a good example of unions done right. Somehow their employees earn a good wage with benefits and job security and the company is still more profitable than Sam's Club where they treat employees like dirt.

I know it's the conservative position of the month to hate on unions but conditions for unionized workers are better in every measurable way. As an employee there's no reason not to unionize.

I think it's important to remember that voting for a union doesnt guarantee anything. They would still need to go through a collective bargaining process, and the employees have the possibility to end up with "worse" wages and/or "benefits". I for one would rather have the ability to have my voice heard, not have to rely on someone else to try and get me anything.

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Old 06-18-2011, 03:29 PM
 
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Agreed. Look at Costco for a good example of unions done right. Somehow their employees earn a good wage with benefits and job security and the company is still more profitable than Sam's Club where they treat employees like dirt.

I know it's the conservative dumsh*t position of the month to hate on unions but conditions for unionized workers are better in every measurable way. As an employee there's no reason not to unionize.
I don't think it's the "position of the month." Conservatives don't like unions because it goes against an ideology of competition and a belief in a system that rewards those that work harder, smarter, and longer. I've seen just as much abuse within unions as I have seen from non-unionized workforces. The son of a shop steward getting a cushy job, a brother-in-law of a union official getting his A-card over many more qualified applicants, bribes, extortion, and organized theft.

However, by your anger it's easy to see that you can't really justify your own pro-union ideology. I would agree! Today's unions are a shadow of the laws meant to govern them in the 1930's an 40's. They went from a beautiful experiment of equality and workers rights to a special interest group on the level of the tobacco and alcohol lobbyists.

That being said, not all unions are equal. Some unions, like Costco's, see themselves as mutually beneficial to the employer and some unions, like GM's, are willing to bankrupt a company before making a meaningful concession to keep an organization competitive.
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