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Old 09-15-2011, 01:42 PM
 
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You want lower school taxes? Have teachers and admin contribute their fair share towards their pensions and health care. 20-25%, similar to the private sector. Problem solved.
Back on topic, Mangano is saving Nassau residents over $700 a year in tax increases. Be grateful we have someone looking out for the taxpayer.
Problem not solved, because those hundred-someodd administrators are going to want raises next year, and the year after that, and they need to buy new shiny trucks every year, and renovate their buildings, and retain all sorts of other wasteful duplicaiton. Same with the water districts, and fire departments, and all the other vestiges of this being a rural island with small, independent villages.

The island has outgrown this model. Like it or not, Nassau is far more like Queens than rural West Virginia and it's time that people cease defending their little fiefdoms because it's driven our property taxes through the roof.

While we're talking about it, a single-payer healthcare system would go a long way toward eliminating our state's financial woes in that department (and remove a huge financial burden on private businesses, allowing them to raise wages and hire more workers), but I know you teabagger crazies think that'll turn the country it soviet hitlerstan so I guess enjoy those ridiculous tax bills.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Default LaughMAO!

If you can get into the regular Newsday site, read the comments on this story! They're insane! (It makes US look like angels!)

Here's an example:

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"At a time when the rest of the Country is trying to figure out how to create jobs all this mindless dope can do is lay people off. Way to be creative and come up with ideas to generate revenue. Another do nothing, no original ideas, moron in Politics. Big surprise. So when there are no museums, no parks, no Coliseum, no entertainment of any kind, you can't find a plow when it snows, and your streets are full of potholes, Nassau will be a great place to live! Your property taxes will still be higher because the schools will continue to rob you, but for entertainment you can watch your wife's fat jiggle while she vacuums. "
8:16 AM | Butterbean2
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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Problem not solved, because those hundred-someodd administrators are going to want raises next year, and the year after that, and they need to buy new shiny trucks every year, and renovate their buildings, and retain all sorts of other wasteful duplicaiton. Same with the water districts, and fire departments, and all the other vestiges of this being a rural island with small, independent villages.

The island has outgrown this model. Like it or not, Nassau is far more like Queens than rural West Virginia and it's time that people cease defending their little fiefdoms because it's driven our property taxes through the roof.

While we're talking about it, a single-payer healthcare system would go a long way toward eliminating our state's financial woes in that department (and remove a huge financial burden on private businesses, allowing them to raise wages and hire more workers), but I know you teabagger crazies think that'll turn the country it soviet hitlerstan so I guess enjoy those ridiculous tax bills.
Exactly correct. Providing the services (educational and infrastructure) and amenities (cultural and recreational) that Nassau County residents want by dividing these tasks into bite sized taxing units has out lived its usefulness. The cost to tax payers to maintain the minimum of 6 different taxing entities (federal, state, county, town, school, fire - off the top of my head) on top of the local ones (sewer, water, library, bridges, villages, etc…) is no longer efficient. This is why LI is not a popular destination for companies who are looking to relocate. You would think a Tea Party member would be in favor of reducing the amount of government.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:47 PM
 
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Hey great more people out of work during a period of record unemployment. Certainly this means good things for the county when these 700 can no longer pay their mortgages.

The county budget will never be served by little nickle and dime cuts like this that just hurt average people. We need real reform like consolidating school districts, eliminating duplicative administration in school districts, water districst, etc., addressing police overtime and retirement compensation, we're just bleeding slowly.

On a macro scale, a recovery for the county depends on the economic recovery of this nation. Unfortunatley, austerity is the name of the game in Washington due to the terrorist fringe of the Republican Party who are interested paramount in destroying our government.
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Problem not solved, because those hundred-someodd administrators are going to want raises next year, and the year after that, and they need to buy new shiny trucks every year, and renovate their buildings, and retain all sorts of other wasteful duplicaiton. Same with the water districts, and fire departments, and all the other vestiges of this being a rural island with small, independent villages.

The island has outgrown this model. Like it or not, Nassau is far more like Queens than rural West Virginia and it's time that people cease defending their little fiefdoms because it's driven our property taxes through the roof.

While we're talking about it, a single-payer healthcare system would go a long way toward eliminating our state's financial woes in that department (and remove a huge financial burden on private businesses, allowing them to raise wages and hire more workers), but I know you teabagger crazies think that'll turn the country it soviet hitlerstan so I guess enjoy those ridiculous tax bills.
Thank you for saving me the keyboarding.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Pixley
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You want lower school taxes? Have teachers and admin contribute their fair share towards their pensions and health care. 20-25%, similar to the private sector. Problem solved.
Back on topic, Mangano is saving Nassau residents over $700 a year in tax increases. Be grateful we have someone looking out for the taxpayer.
So that is the whole issue with the high costs of school budgets - pensions and health care costs?

This subject is on topic because school taxes make up 60% or more of most home owner’s tax bill. Police and teacher salaries and benefits (2 of the biggest complaints on this forum) are all contractual obligations, so it is highly unlikely that the costs for these 2 groups changes now or at the next negotiation. It all comes back to what has to be cut vs. what tax payers are willing to cut.

As for Mangano, he a few good ideas in this budget, but many require union concessions. And don’t make him out to be a saint. He was in the legislature as Gulotta drove the county finances off a cliff. How much looking out was he doing then? Same as any politican, he's looking out for his old friends a little more than the tax payers.

- Abe Lackman, a Budget Expert who was hired this week at a cost of $174,000
Budget consultant to cost Nassau $174G
- Nassau County Attorney John Ciampoli retains the services of his former law firm, Lewis & Fiore as "Special Counsel" to the County for one contract of $25,000 and 2 other county contracts altogether worth $400,000.
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Old 09-15-2011, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Default I wonder if this name will be on the layoff list?

From Newsday Mobile for all to read:

D'Amato's daughter joins Nassau's Senior Citizen Affairs
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Look at her "qualifications" to become the new deputy commissioner of Senior Citizen Affairs for Nassau County:

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The resume for Murphy, mother of seven, lists volunteer activities for the Republican Party and Sacred Heart Church in Island Park while working part-time at Benchmark Insurance Agency in Manhattan , and earlier, at D'Amato Insurance in Rockville Centre.
Like I said in the "Levy Copies Mangano and Does Him 9 Better!" thread, there should be a law that all political appointees go first in the layoffs!
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Old 09-15-2011, 07:42 PM
 
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Like I said in the "Levy Copies Mangano and Does Him 9 Better!" thread, there should be a law that all political appointees go first in the layoffs!
Well said
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:20 PM
 
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The unions have the power to stop these layoffs through concessions. But do the really high earners, ie the ncpd elite $150k plus club want to give up the $75,000 average they extract in overtime?? That's whose to blame.The budget is short $300 million dollars. Every homeowner either gets hit with a $700 increase in their tax bill, or a few people get laid off because the ncpd wants to keep their $150k plus officers rolling in the money. You don't balance a budget like this on the backs of overtaxed hurting taxpayers. I'm sorry, you just don't. The greed runs thick in these unions.

With the schools, there's not as much duplication as people think. The main costs are: salaries, pensions, health care and infrastructure. There's not much you can do about consolidating classes or buildings without increasing class sizes. Buildings are already at capacity for the most part. What are you going to do, bus kids from north shore to Hempstead? In what buildings? How much added cost will there be transporting hundreds of thousands of kids allover the county. Forget it.
The only thing you can do is change the pension system to be fairer to taxpayers, require higher contributions toward their health care like the federal government does and freeze pay.
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Old 09-16-2011, 03:40 AM
 
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Mangano just approved 20 million dollars in taxpayers money to build turf fields at all Nassau parks.

This Guy really is clueless!
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Old 09-16-2011, 07:07 AM
 
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Mangano is doing a great job. Someone has to clean up the mess, the gluttony over the last 20 years. He's not a bad guy for doing this. If it were suozzi he would have raised taxes thirty percent. 25% toward health care is about in line with private sector and the federal government employees. They were paying 0 toward it until this budget.

Tax Revolt. We cannot take any more tax increases. Thank you Ed.
Ha, so simple. No "tax" increase but watch every backhanded fee go up, service go down and corruption remain constant. Knee jerk political reactions don't fix problems. Combinations of tax reform (i.e. simplifying, cutting, raising, balancing, enforcing), reasonable concession negotiations as opposed to threats (maybe decent non-corrupt negotiating up front could be a goal), business friendly reforms (Town of Hempstead...Kate, I'm talking to you...) as opposed to business killing code restrictions and nimbyism.

But then, it's so much easier to say "read my lips...no taxes."

If we want simple, maybe get rid of the whole assessment department and hire a trained monkey to go on zillow for home values and call it a day. Would be much more efficient and accurate.
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