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Old 11-15-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Disappointingly, even the History channel or Discovery run with urban legends too often for my taste.
For a "Ghost Story", one would expect an urban legend / folklore, no? It's entertainment, it's not science, but still fun to watch. How would one "prove" facts in these stories?
Look at local land and historical records to see if there was actually ever a hospital or asylum built on the property in question.

If no, then the urban legend is false.

If yes, then find out what happened to the building.

If the building was demolished in any other way than fire, then the urban legend is false.

If the building was demolished by fire, find out how the fire occurred.

If it was an accidental fire, then the urban legend is false.

If it was purposely set, find out who set it.

If the name of the fire starter is anything besides "Mary" then the urban legend is false.

If the name is "Mary" then find out if she was a patient at the asylum who escaped.

If not, the urban legend is false.

If yes, the urban legend is true.

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As for proving a "haunting" ... that is something else ... certainly up to individual standards and beliefs.

I was only commenting on the purported historical "facts" asserted in the case (asylum existed and was burned down by an escaped patient named Mary) by LI Paranormal Investigators.
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:07 PM
 
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Isn't Mt Misery Mt Sinai?

Chandler estate?
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:27 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Isn't Mt Misery Mt Sinai?

Chandler estate?
Yet another "Mary" legend!
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:33 PM
 
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Look at local land and historical records to see if there was actually ever a hospital or asylum built on the property in question.

If no, then the urban legend is false.

If yes, then find out what happened to the building.

If the building was demolished in any other way than fire, then the urban legend is false.

If the building was demolished by fire, find out how the fire occurred.

If it was an accidental fire, then the urban legend is false.

If it was purposely set, find out who set it.

If the name of the fire starter is anything besides "Mary" then the urban legend is false.

If the name is "Mary" then find out if she was a patient at the asylum who escaped.

If not, the urban legend is false.

If yes, the urban legend is true.

********

As for proving a "haunting" ... that is something else ... certainly up to individual standards and beliefs.

I was only commenting on the purported historical "facts" asserted in the case (asylum existed and was burned down by an escaped patient named Mary) by LI Paranormal Investigators.
Ok, I understand now what you meant. It does require years of work and dedication.
Years ago I was following a newsgroup on urban legends and there were rigorous procedures and many erudite people to pronounce a verdict "true" or "false" on various stories.
A "true" verdict for an urban legend does not always mean that ALL pieces are true and part of the same historic event, but it must pass some critical threshold. Folklore tends to blend pieces into a story (the pieces may have been originally parts of different stories).

If this urban legend were researched and confirmed "true" (the essence of it confirmed) - we most likely would have seen it on the History channel.

The word "facts" is used very liberally on TV often w/o a trace of truth - medications, medical procedures, cosmetics, the news, ...
For a ghost story - I give them some slack.
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Old 11-15-2011, 12:50 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Ok, I understand now what you meant. It does require years of work and dedication.
Years ago I was following a newsgroup on urban legends and there were rigorous procedures and many erudite people to pronounce a verdict "true" or "false" on various stories.
A "true" verdict for an urban legend does not always mean that ALL pieces are true and part of the same historic event, but it must pass some critical threshold. Folklore tends to blend pieces into a story (the pieces may have been originally parts of different stories).

If this urban legend were researched and confirmed "true" (the essence of it confirmed) - we most likely would have seen it on the History channel.

The word "facts" is used very liberally on TV often w/o a trace of truth - medications, medical procedures, cosmetics, the news, ...
For a ghost story - I give them some slack.
It's not the TV channel I am disappointed in. It's the paranormal investigators from LI who stated with their own mouths that the story was a true historical fact that were the disappointment.
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Old 08-08-2012, 05:20 PM
 
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Where can I obtain this documentary? What were the conclusions?
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Old 08-09-2012, 04:33 AM
 
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dont you know that reality tv is fake?
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Old 08-09-2012, 10:42 AM
 
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These are historical facts? Is it fake?
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Old 08-10-2012, 10:54 AM
 
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Isn't there a graveyard on Mount Misery Road? I remember being a teen and going to the graveyard at night. I remember being freaked out b/c well, in the dark it was freaky and se jumped the gate. However, I do not recall hearing any ghosts. I just thought it was a "cool" place to hang out and just the thought of being there at night was freaky. I am unsure about the Mary and burning down an asylum though. I do remember somewhere in Melville off of Route 110, there was an orphanage that burnt down. I think it was the early 90's. I remember walking the grounds and burnt down building at night. That's the only thing I remember or know of burning down and having to do with children. Sorry I couldn't be of more help to you.
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Old 08-10-2012, 02:58 PM
 
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Mary really gets around.
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