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Old 11-16-2011, 05:56 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Pequaman View Post
- No contribution, Free Health Insurance for life, as you mentioned
- 3-day work weeks
- 61 paid days off a year
- 5 paid "Blood days" - most people are happy with juice and a cookie
- education payments - even if no education is pursued
- no layoff provision - not sure if this is factored, probably not
- Pension
- Sick & holiday pay

I'm sure there's more I left out
....



That hospital's already a mess. I would not want to be a patient there today, let alone after these cuts.



Good points. But it's racist and inhumane to talk about stuff like that.
That's true too with the insurance companies shafting the county (taxpayers)... but it seems like everyone is sharing the burden EXCEPT the NCDP. They are at all still racking up record high salaries and pensions...even higher in 2011 than the chart indicates. Democrats are calling for higher taxes to protect their lucrative salaries. The PBA will not give a cent back.
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"Good points. But it's racist and inhumane to talk about stuff like that."
REALLY? How do you figure? Numbers do not lie.
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Old 11-16-2011, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Wallens Ridge
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P'Man are you saying that NCPD is the downfall for that asylum they call NUMC. Man talk about a stretch Man you could change a name but you could never run from the past!

That so called institution has been a Nassau county budget wrecker for 8 decades. That place is a freaking disaster from top to bottom. On a scale or 1-10 (10 being the best) Morale is a 0. I remember my wife's friend being the senior staff nurse on a particular floor and she was only there 9 months at the time

The CSEA has always been the scape goat for their problems. They been threatening layoffs for ever and ever. This is political game that is played over and over and over.

Is this the first time this medical center is running on an operating deficit

Billing and accounting Dept. Probably the worse in the country. They lose millions on errors, improper coding, patient registration errors/omissions

The numerous contracts that were "awarded" without competitive bidding and it didn't even matter that there was a conflict of interest or not.

Millions paid to "consultants" over the years.

Payment vouchers were approved and paid regardless incomplete or false documentation.

They continuously violate their own polices.

The list go on and on.

But as usual it's the police officer's fault

Your friend getting out of that circus is probably the best thing for her.
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Old 11-16-2011, 08:11 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Good points. But it's racist and inhumane to talk about stuff like that.
That's true too with the insurance companies shafting the county (taxpayers)... but it seems like everyone is sharing the burden except...
It's neither racist or inhumane -- if we didn't care for them because they couldn't pay or were a different color, then we could stand accused of that.
I looked further into NCMC -- did you know it is run by a corporation, NuHealth, for the county? NuHealth also oversees the A Holly Patterson Nursing home and several other centers.
NuHealth - Nassau Health Care Corporation

This I found interesting:
News and Events › NuHealth - Nassau Health Care Corporation

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GIANELLI ANNOUNCES RIGHTSIZING OF NUHEALTH’S OPERATIONS IN RESPONSE TO $25M PENSION COST INCREASE AND $15M CUTS TO MEDICAID REIMBURSEMENTS

East Meadow, NY…….Arthur A. Gianelli, President/CEO of the NuHealth System, announces that due to a $25M employee pension cost increase, $15M reductions in Medicaid Disproportionate Share hospital reimbursements and $10M increase in costs for health insurance, pharmaceuticals and supplies, he has made the difficult decision to initiate, effective November 16, 2011, the rightsizing of NuHealth’s operations,
I love the spin -- 'rightsizing'

What does one do -- cut from the NCPD to pour money into the hospital (which most of us wouldn't want to use, anyway) or cut out the cancer where it grows?
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:15 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Pequaman View Post
- No contribution, Free Health Insurance for life, as you mentioned
- 3-day work weeks
- 61 paid days off a year
- 5 paid "Blood days" - most people are happy with juice and a cookie
- education payments - even if no education is pursued
- no layoff provision - not sure if this is factored, probably not
- Pension
- Sick & holiday pay

I'm sure there's more I left out
....

Well, not looking to fight, but...
*3 day workweek" The workday is a12 hour day; thus full time.
*No one, I repeat NO ONE gets 61 days off a year. That is a myth pushed by the current administration, and takes into account the possibly of all vacation, personal and sick days. Do you know anyone who uses every sick day where they work? I don't.
*Blood days? A relic from the seventies when[almost] no one gave blood; BUT, you don't "just" get the day off. You get 8 hours [and following the 12 hour rules, that's nor even a day] as time and time ONLY, and which has several stipulations as to how it can be used. And, if you leave, and haven't used it you lose it. Lastly, not everyone who donates blood even put in for the time they're "earning."
*Education payments.True you *do* in some cases get money to pursue your degree, but, of the three unions shown in your diagram, two do NOT have that.
*Pensions? The big stickler. Something will eventually have to be done with the currently 100% fully funded NYS pension plan. But, before you drive of the cliff on this, remember that many municipalities were not making ANY payments into the plan for several years when the stock market exploded. Think that money might've been better spent if it was put into a lock-box? Why isn't that not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN has mentioned this? Because, then they'd be admitting that they were more than just innocent victims of the big bad pension wolf they're just now acting so afraid of.
*Sick & holiday pay? You mean, like 95% of the rest of the country? and, unlike the rest of the world, even at bare bones, the police dept doesn't close, and holidays are just another work day for them.
Maybe it's possible that those umber, admittedly high, are padded a bit for arguments sake?
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Old 11-16-2011, 10:23 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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What does one do -- cut from the NCPD to pour money into the hospital (which most of us wouldn't want to use, anyway) or cut out the cancer where it grows?
Sometimes "we" (the insured) end up in that hospital INVOLUNTARILY.

I know someone taken there by ambulance (from a different hospital in Nassau that lacked what NUMC has) who had to spend several weeks there in recovery. She was "out of it" when being transferred and could not protest ("Oh noes! Don't take me to NUMC!") if she wanted to. She had the best insurance going. None of her doctors had privileges there, so she could not be seen by her own doctors but only by the specialists at the hospital. She survived and is doing better than ever.

It just happens that there are a few things that hospital has that many others in Nassau doesn't like a first-class burn unit, hyperbaric chamber, a very experienced trauma center, and a helicopter pad.

I think it would be better to keep that hospital solvent unless the others in Nassau are going to suddenly get an influx of money (and the desire) to build what NUMC has that they don't.
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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Well, not looking to fight, but...
*3 day workweek" The workday is a12 hour day; thus full time.
*No one, I repeat NO ONE gets 61 days off a year. That is a myth pushed by the current administration, and takes into account the possibly of all vacation, personal and sick days. Do you know anyone who uses every sick day where they work? I don't.
*Blood days? A relic from the seventies when[almost] no one gave blood; BUT, you don't "just" get the day off. You get 8 hours [and following the 12 hour rules, that's nor even a day] as time and time ONLY, and which has several stipulations as to how it can be used. And, if you leave, and haven't used it you lose it. Lastly, not everyone who donates blood even put in for the time they're "earning."
*Education payments.True you *do* in some cases get money to pursue your degree, but, of the three unions shown in your diagram, two do NOT have that.
*Pensions? The big stickler. Something will eventually have to be done with the currently 100% fully funded NYS pension plan. But, before you drive of the cliff on this, remember that many municipalities were not making ANY payments into the plan for several years when the stock market exploded. Think that money might've been better spent if it was put into a lock-box? Why isn't that not ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN has mentioned this? Because, then they'd be admitting that they were more than just innocent victims of the big bad pension wolf they're just now acting so afraid of.
*Sick & holiday pay? You mean, like 95% of the rest of the country? and, unlike the rest of the world, even at bare bones, the police dept doesn't close, and holidays are just another work day for them.
Maybe it's possible that those umber, admittedly high, are padded a bit for arguments sake?
You asked what the benefits were, I was just supplying them. I'm not looking to fight either. Just because they don't use all the 61 days off, doesn't mean they don't get paid for them. All those benefits plus the really high salaries add up to unaffordable. I mean, who can afford this? $202k per officer? They do a great job and all, but it's not like there's a shortage of qualified applicants lining up to work as cops. Can we really afford to be paying Doctor's wages, for a job that requires no real major education or extremely 'rare/in-demand' skills? Obviously Not.

On the pension holiday. Yeah, the politicians were at fault too for giving too much to the unions and not saving enough in the reserve fund to cover the higher payments today. But both parties (Suozzi/2000-2010 legislature along with the Unions) are both to blame for taking advantage of taxpayers. Who's idea was it anyway to postpone these pension payments to a later date ? I don't exactly who came up with it, but the PBA & other unions (at least in Nassau) benefited tremendously from this. They suckered the county into paying more than we could afford.

To OBH, BigMike & I_Love_LI,
That is true that the hospital is run like crap... but they did run at a surplus the last 2 years prior to 2011. And like I_Love said, you never know when/if you might end up there. It just seems like every county service is scaling back except for the NCPD. I would have rather seen the county take from the exorbitant earners working for the county , and give to basic services like this, while keeping the low income earners employed. Even county ambulances now cost double what they did from a few years ago. Why? It's like $1000 to use a county ambulance today. The NCPD is running with 100+ fewer officers and it's still going to cost as much or more than in 2010.


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Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Mchale, James NDR $205,813 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Perez, Alejandro NDR $205,372 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Birdsall, Wayne NDR $205,249 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Re, Carl NDR $205,173 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Ferro, Christopher NDR $204,718 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Watson, James NDR $204,411 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Sweeney, Brian NDR $204,214 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Hoesl, Brian NDR $204,117 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Kalin, Gustave NDR $204,003 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Nicholson, Gregory NDR $203,445 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Carroll, Patrick NDR $202,763 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Angelino, Joseph NDR $202,497 2011
Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Klindworth, John NDR $202,442 2011
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Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Adamo, Vincent NDR $202,066 2011
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Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Mc Laughlin, John NDR $199,670 2011
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Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Mc Iver, Richard NDR $199,152 2011
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Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Londono, Gonzalo NDR $198,490 2011
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Nassau Nassau (Police & Fire) Capece, John NDR $196,332 2011
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Old 11-16-2011, 11:53 AM
 
Location: Wallens Ridge
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The NCPD is running with 100+ fewer officers and it's still going to cost as much or more than in 2010.
Big misconception... less officers = less expense

Nassau PD is already running under the allotted police slots.

It works like this.... Every year your going to have mandatory coverage by police personnel ie holidays, parades, demonstrations, festivals, crime scenes, etc.

Even if you have less on your force these "posts" still have to be covered. But now they have to be covered by an Officer on O.T. and probably an veteran officer making the "MAX" it ends up the officer makes a bloated salary and the county ends up paying more not less.

By having less on the force doesn't correlate to a lower operational budget if anything it becomes bigger.

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Old 11-16-2011, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Fifth moon from Nebula
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Big misconception... less officers = less expense

Nassau PD is already running under the allotted police slots.

It works like this.... Every year your going to have mandatory coverage by police personnel ie holidays, parades, demonstrations, festivals, crime scenes, etc.

Even if you have less on your force these "posts" still have to be covered. But now they have to be covered by an Officer on O.T. and probably an veteran officer making the "MAX" it ends up the officer makes a bloated salary and the county ends up paying more not less.

By having less on the force doesn't correlate to a lower operational budget if anything it becomes bigger.
Let's talk about WHY they're running under the allotted slots.

Joe Taxpayer still has to pay into the benefits of the lesser paid cops just the same. If Carver would make some concessions for the new blood, then the county could hire some new cops and fill those posts more responsibly.
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Old 11-16-2011, 01:07 PM
 
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Hmmm, yeah. And weren't some here screaming for the privatization of health care in the jail?

Well, you got it. And this is what happens as a result.
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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Originally Posted by BigMike50 View Post
Big misconception... less officers = less expense

Nassau PD is already running under the allotted police slots.

It works like this.... Every year your going to have mandatory coverage by police personnel ie holidays, parades, demonstrations, festivals, crime scenes, etc.

Even if you have less on your force these "posts" still have to be covered. But now they have to be covered by an Officer on O.T. and probably an veteran officer making the "MAX" it ends up the officer makes a bloated salary and the county ends up paying more not less.

By having less on the force doesn't correlate to a lower operational budget if anything it becomes bigger.
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Let's talk about WHY they're running under the allotted slots.

Joe Taxpayer still has to pay into the benefits of the lesser paid cops just the same. If Carver would make some concessions for the new blood, then the county could hire some new cops and fill those posts more responsibly.
Good point Bigmike, but Gordon_B is right. Isn't it a wash because of the benefits (total salary) paid to the lower salaried officer? I think maybe extending the workweek to 4 days 40 hours minimum before Overtime kicks in would solve a huge part of the OT problem.

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Hmmm, yeah. And weren't some here screaming for the privatization of health care in the jail?

Well, you got it. And this is what happens as a result.
PRIVATIZATION OF INMATE HEALTH SERVICES & HOUSING OF NON-NASSAU INMATES HELPS KEEP COSTS DOWN AT JAIL |

I thought privatization would save on the jail budget by $5.1 Million? So I'm assuming NUMC is losing this business?
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