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Old 11-18-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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I've heard talk from people that live in villages and want the village to have it's own police and/or schools. What are your opinions on that? Should Massapequa Park have it's own school district? Should Lindenhurst have it's own police? Should hamlets that view themselves as sections of a village (I.E. North Lindenhurst) be in different school districts from the village?
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Old 11-18-2011, 09:52 PM
 
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No: then there would be way too many school districts, schools and police departments.

Think about all the tiny hamlets of the island that would require all these services and schools built.

It just wouldn't work out.
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:10 PM
 
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I say no as well..

In fact I would like it if it was all one standardized system that had integrity and actually executed its objectives fairly and exceptionally well...

what a pipe dream...

Anyways, no absolutely not.

no politics no games - just math
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Massapequa Park
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What would be the motivation for this? It's definitely going to cost a lot more because you'd have to pay NCPD pay rates. The same goes for teachers. One way this would make sense is if you completely dissolve the NCPD and start from scratch at reasonable pay-scales. Otherwise go look at village taxes in villages that have their own PD (Malverne, Garden City, Lynbrook, Hempstead) ... it's like $3500-$5000 for village taxes in those villages. (compare to ~$500 village taxes in Massapequa Park which doesn't have its own PD).
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:03 AM
 
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Absolutely not, that's moving in the wrong direction. A large part of why our taxes are so high is duplication of services - too many layers of government, too many separate districts for schools, maintenance, services, etc.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:28 AM
 
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I've heard talk from people that live in villages and want the village to have it's own police and/or schools. What are your opinions on that? Should Massapequa Park have it's own school district? Should Lindenhurst have it's own police? Should hamlets that view themselves as sections of a village (I.E. North Lindenhurst) be in different school districts from the village?

massapequa park doesnt have thier own police. they use nassau's 7th precinct. the money collected in MP goes to MP, not nassau.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:29 AM
 
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plus massapequa and massapequa park are basically the same. kids all went to the same school. why segregate them even more?
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Old 11-20-2011, 06:02 PM
 
Location: Wellsville, Glurt County
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I've heard talk from people that live in villages and want the village to have it's own police and/or schools. What are your opinions on that? Should Massapequa Park have it's own school district? Should Lindenhurst have it's own police? Should hamlets that view themselves as sections of a village (I.E. North Lindenhurst) be in different school districts from the village?
No villages on Long Island, or anywhere in New York, have their own school districts. I don't believe they're granted that power in the village charter. In most cases, school districts are an entirely separate government entity from the town (er.. hamlet or village) they share their name with.

However, cities can (and do) have their own school districts. In both Glen Cove and Long Beach the city government operates the schools. Long Beach is kind of a unique situation because the city district serves areas outside it's boundaries as well.

Now as far as should these smaller municipalities handle services normally provided by the town or county? I don't really know. In terms of cost, I think you'll find that sometimes the village does it cheaper, sometimes it becomes considerably more expensive. Freeport, for instance, generates it's own electricity independent of LIPA and they have consistently lower rates. When a village provides a service normally provided by the county or town, it's residents pay a discounted rate on their town/county property taxes for those categories. So someone living in Rockville Centre is paying both an NCPD tax and village police tax, but the NCPD rate is considerably lower than it would be in an unincorporated area.

From a common sense standpoint, of course it should be cheaper if all these services were consolidated under one branch of government... but since our towns and counties aren't all that great at running things in a cost effective manner - a lot of times it actually works out where "duplication of services" is cheaper or negligible. Lots of people seem to feel having more localized government is a benefit as well. Other times, the villages are just as poorly run and awful at spending money as their larger counterparts.
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Old 11-20-2011, 06:56 PM
 
Location: On a Long Island in NY
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The town/village PDs do cost more however they provide a much higher level of patrol coverage than they would get with the county PD. Lindenhurst which uses the Suffolk County PD gets only 2 officers per shift ... and depending on activity in the surrounding sectors, sick leave, etc they could have 1 officer or even no dedicated coverage; in comparison neighboring Amityville with it's own PD has a minimum of 3 officers and a sergeant on patrol at all times.

The problem with the county PDs is that they have a "one size fits all" approach with random sectors drawn on a map without regards to crime, population, commercial activity, etc. The town and village PDs allow for a more personalized service ... but at a higher cost.

County police departments used to be very common, there used to be about a dozen in NY ... Nassau and Suffolk are the only ones left. I wonder why?
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Old 11-20-2011, 07:46 PM
 
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I've heard talk from people that live in villages and want the village to have it's own police and/or schools. What are your opinions on that? Should Massapequa Park have it's own school district? Should Lindenhurst have it's own police? Should hamlets that view themselves as sections of a village (I.E. North Lindenhurst) be in different school districts from the village?
You think your tax's are high now? ENOUGH with the multi-levels of goverment!
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